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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 07:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my perspective as some one who has this illness. It does not fit every situation. This is just from experience from dealing with friends of mine and my personal struggle. Please read with an open mind.

Look I have BPD and let me tell you that if your friend cut ties with you then they will be back. It is all a phase we go through and when we realize that we are being irrational (because deep down we know it is) it sinks in and the cycle continues (the apologies and so on). It is down right manipulation and you have a right to feel the way you do. Asside from the BPD I am not the sweetest person in the world but I would at least try to talk to her, call her out on her crap. Try to get a general sense on what made her feel this way toward you. You ultimately have to decide if this relation ship is worth saving or not. You can be cordial but put down boundaries. 

Boundaries are the best thing you can lay down with this person. Kids are kids and you are right they shouldn&#039;t be involved (guilt trips are a great maipulation tool by the way especially using kids). One day, when you feel up to it you should have a lunch with her (not in a public place maybe a picnic. Public creates more drama and that fules the fires of BPD) Ask her what happen. Make her think about the reasosn why she does the things she has done to you. If you pretty much get the same answer then ask yourself if this is worth it. If it is state that you will be friends and then set boundaries. If not set boundaries and let her know how you feel.   

Idk if your friend has more than one issue i.e. MPD, Bi-polar etc... but it is hard to find people to understand what you are going through when you are going through all of these feelings emotions and phases. 

Having BPD (for me) is like being a caged animal. You don&#039;t really know why you are there in that cage or why you are being punished for rules you didn&#039;t even know you were breaking but everyone that comes to that cage (even the nice person who comes and gives you food or to play with you and pet you) is an enemy because of this one (or sometimes more than one) in humane SOB. So the caged animal becomes paranoid, angry, and explosive. Even though it longs for love it can&#039;t help but to feel betrayal at the front door. 

It is a cycle of ups and downs. I encourge you to read the book I hate you don&#039;t leave me. It is about $8. Your friend needs therapy and support. Idk if tough love is the answer, it isn&#039;t for me anyway. It just makes me want to push my friends away more (a nice way of putting it). Sometimes it is about hurt and making others hurt as much as you do or saying &quot;leave me alone&quot; when they know deep down they need a hug. As a friend, it is a trial and error thing. It all comes down to how commited to the relationship are you willing to be. This is NEVER going to go away but it can be managed. Encourage your friend to talk about their feelings or vent out the frustration. 

I have friends who are BPD and they have jumped off the deepend but I am there when they come back. I text them quite often (about nothing in particular. I.e. about my day or text them call me when you have time). 

Bottom line is that you CANNOT love them back to normal. I have MPD BPD and bipolar; it is not easy living from emotion to emotion and people who try to say that I should just fight doesn&#039;t know anything about fighting. To fight your emotions 24/7 all day long never slipping up once is rediculous. Don&#039;t let your friends emotions take over your life and determine your happiness get them into therapy and ask them about how it is going. Therapy is very personal so they will be a little raw but let them know that you are there for them and in time things will get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my perspective as some one who has this illness. It does not fit every situation. This is just from experience from dealing with friends of mine and my personal struggle. Please read with an open mind.</p>
<p>Look I have BPD and let me tell you that if your friend cut ties with you then they will be back. It is all a phase we go through and when we realize that we are being irrational (because deep down we know it is) it sinks in and the cycle continues (the apologies and so on). It is down right manipulation and you have a right to feel the way you do. Asside from the BPD I am not the sweetest person in the world but I would at least try to talk to her, call her out on her crap. Try to get a general sense on what made her feel this way toward you. You ultimately have to decide if this relation ship is worth saving or not. You can be cordial but put down boundaries. </p>
<p>Boundaries are the best thing you can lay down with this person. Kids are kids and you are right they shouldn&#8217;t be involved (guilt trips are a great maipulation tool by the way especially using kids). One day, when you feel up to it you should have a lunch with her (not in a public place maybe a picnic. Public creates more drama and that fules the fires of BPD) Ask her what happen. Make her think about the reasosn why she does the things she has done to you. If you pretty much get the same answer then ask yourself if this is worth it. If it is state that you will be friends and then set boundaries. If not set boundaries and let her know how you feel.   </p>
<p>Idk if your friend has more than one issue i.e. MPD, Bi-polar etc&#8230; but it is hard to find people to understand what you are going through when you are going through all of these feelings emotions and phases. </p>
<p>Having BPD (for me) is like being a caged animal. You don&#8217;t really know why you are there in that cage or why you are being punished for rules you didn&#8217;t even know you were breaking but everyone that comes to that cage (even the nice person who comes and gives you food or to play with you and pet you) is an enemy because of this one (or sometimes more than one) in humane SOB. So the caged animal becomes paranoid, angry, and explosive. Even though it longs for love it can&#8217;t help but to feel betrayal at the front door. </p>
<p>It is a cycle of ups and downs. I encourge you to read the book I hate you don&#8217;t leave me. It is about $8. Your friend needs therapy and support. Idk if tough love is the answer, it isn&#8217;t for me anyway. It just makes me want to push my friends away more (a nice way of putting it). Sometimes it is about hurt and making others hurt as much as you do or saying &#8220;leave me alone&#8221; when they know deep down they need a hug. As a friend, it is a trial and error thing. It all comes down to how commited to the relationship are you willing to be. This is NEVER going to go away but it can be managed. Encourage your friend to talk about their feelings or vent out the frustration. </p>
<p>I have friends who are BPD and they have jumped off the deepend but I am there when they come back. I text them quite often (about nothing in particular. I.e. about my day or text them call me when you have time). </p>
<p>Bottom line is that you CANNOT love them back to normal. I have MPD BPD and bipolar; it is not easy living from emotion to emotion and people who try to say that I should just fight doesn&#8217;t know anything about fighting. To fight your emotions 24/7 all day long never slipping up once is rediculous. Don&#8217;t let your friends emotions take over your life and determine your happiness get them into therapy and ask them about how it is going. Therapy is very personal so they will be a little raw but let them know that you are there for them and in time things will get better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tough Love Reconsidered with BPD &#124; Anything to Stop the Pain - BPD and Non-BPs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

Emotionally volatile relationships are hard for anyone to deal with. It&#039;s exhausting and painful and takes a lot of energy. On top of that, we are not taught how to deal with emotionally volatile situations. Sounds as if your friend was emotionally wounded by something you did (or she imagined you did and felt the intention was to heurt her) and is angry and attacking you back. That is natural when anger is involved. In the case of someone with BPD, that feeling of anger can quickly become &quot;splitting you black&quot; - which mean she considers you all bad, evil even. When that occurs many people with BPD will burn bridges with former friends. It is a painful situation for the friend (if you value the friendship) and, in time, it mght become a painful, embarrassing situation for the person with BPD. Once the emotional dysregulation and impulsive emotional behavior wears off, your friend is likely to come back to you. It can&#039;t be assured, but it is likely. 

Take care of yourself emotionally and be patient. Sometimes it is the best course of action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>Emotionally volatile relationships are hard for anyone to deal with. It&#8217;s exhausting and painful and takes a lot of energy. On top of that, we are not taught how to deal with emotionally volatile situations. Sounds as if your friend was emotionally wounded by something you did (or she imagined you did and felt the intention was to heurt her) and is angry and attacking you back. That is natural when anger is involved. In the case of someone with BPD, that feeling of anger can quickly become &#8220;splitting you black&#8221; &#8211; which mean she considers you all bad, evil even. When that occurs many people with BPD will burn bridges with former friends. It is a painful situation for the friend (if you value the friendship) and, in time, it mght become a painful, embarrassing situation for the person with BPD. Once the emotional dysregulation and impulsive emotional behavior wears off, your friend is likely to come back to you. It can&#8217;t be assured, but it is likely. </p>
<p>Take care of yourself emotionally and be patient. Sometimes it is the best course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend...dear to me for 3.5 years...I was worried about her health due to certain behaviours...I had no one to talk to...I wrote a friend of hers I didn&#039;t know personally.  the e mail addresss was included on my e mail forwards from  her...this friend of hers was a dear one in her own words...when I contacted her..I was very nervous and felt as though I was betraying her...however I was worried.  somehow...my friend found out..a risk I took, but not the wisest on the part of the other person.  My friend doesn&#039;t like me now....the latest is that she doesn&#039;t like me because of another person...whom supposedly she doesn&#039;t like, consider a friend, nor talk to....that person has caused problems with our kids by exaggeration and distortions...not a good mix.  NOW my friend is siding with this person...I feel to bug me...I am so emotionally whipped....I just never know what manipulation will occur...I&#039;m trying not to react, but that is hard.  Right now all I do is wrong...damned if I do or don&#039;t.  I haven&#039;t e mailed her in 6 days....for 3 years we wrote every day.....she stopped sending me forwards, won&#039;t say anything nice about me....doesn&#039;t seem to care anymore and this is such the opposite of what our friendship was.   she has flloored me.  I just cant stand to see her with the other person/friend when the kids plan events...not because i&#039;d normally be jealous, but because it&#039;s an obvious manipulation to anger me.  I&#039;m a nice person, but not perfect.  FOrtunately I could not make a movie yesterday that the kids were invited to.....I didn&#039;t get off work in time.  I dreaded that meeting all day while I was working....my kids are fnally getting tired of it too....I don&#039;t ever encourage them to hate or dislike anyone because of me...although I&#039;ve been falsely accused of it by my friend months ago...I told her the kids don&#039;t understand...she hugged them and said, &quot;this is between your mother and I and not you, you&#039;re just kids&quot; in the mean time...I think she&#039;s turned her son away from us.  I just don&#039;t know what to do.  I feel like writing a letter to everone at one time and telling my story just to get it over with....not sure that would do any good....just so tired.  I am at a point where I feel my validations and kindness are like throwing pearls before swine...I am truly depressed...truly...and I&#039;m having a hard time climbing up.  any comments or thoughts would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend&#8230;dear to me for 3.5 years&#8230;I was worried about her health due to certain behaviours&#8230;I had no one to talk to&#8230;I wrote a friend of hers I didn&#8217;t know personally.  the e mail addresss was included on my e mail forwards from  her&#8230;this friend of hers was a dear one in her own words&#8230;when I contacted her..I was very nervous and felt as though I was betraying her&#8230;however I was worried.  somehow&#8230;my friend found out..a risk I took, but not the wisest on the part of the other person.  My friend doesn&#8217;t like me now&#8230;.the latest is that she doesn&#8217;t like me because of another person&#8230;whom supposedly she doesn&#8217;t like, consider a friend, nor talk to&#8230;.that person has caused problems with our kids by exaggeration and distortions&#8230;not a good mix.  NOW my friend is siding with this person&#8230;I feel to bug me&#8230;I am so emotionally whipped&#8230;.I just never know what manipulation will occur&#8230;I&#8217;m trying not to react, but that is hard.  Right now all I do is wrong&#8230;damned if I do or don&#8217;t.  I haven&#8217;t e mailed her in 6 days&#8230;.for 3 years we wrote every day&#8230;..she stopped sending me forwards, won&#8217;t say anything nice about me&#8230;.doesn&#8217;t seem to care anymore and this is such the opposite of what our friendship was.   she has flloored me.  I just cant stand to see her with the other person/friend when the kids plan events&#8230;not because i&#8217;d normally be jealous, but because it&#8217;s an obvious manipulation to anger me.  I&#8217;m a nice person, but not perfect.  FOrtunately I could not make a movie yesterday that the kids were invited to&#8230;..I didn&#8217;t get off work in time.  I dreaded that meeting all day while I was working&#8230;.my kids are fnally getting tired of it too&#8230;.I don&#8217;t ever encourage them to hate or dislike anyone because of me&#8230;although I&#8217;ve been falsely accused of it by my friend months ago&#8230;I told her the kids don&#8217;t understand&#8230;she hugged them and said, &#8220;this is between your mother and I and not you, you&#8217;re just kids&#8221; in the mean time&#8230;I think she&#8217;s turned her son away from us.  I just don&#8217;t know what to do.  I feel like writing a letter to everone at one time and telling my story just to get it over with&#8230;.not sure that would do any good&#8230;.just so tired.  I am at a point where I feel my validations and kindness are like throwing pearls before swine&#8230;I am truly depressed&#8230;truly&#8230;and I&#8217;m having a hard time climbing up.  any comments or thoughts would be great.</p>
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