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	<description>Help for partners and parents of people with Borderline Personality Disorder - Non-BPDs by Bon Dobbs</description>
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		<title>By: Maricruz Volker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maricruz Volker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 15:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easily, the post is in reality the best on this valuable topic. I agree with your conclusions and will thirstily look forward to your coming updates. Just saying thanks will not just be enough, for the exceptional lucidity in your writing. I will at once grab your rss feed to stay privy of any updates. Solid work and much success in your business efforts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easily, the post is in reality the best on this valuable topic. I agree with your conclusions and will thirstily look forward to your coming updates. Just saying thanks will not just be enough, for the exceptional lucidity in your writing. I will at once grab your rss feed to stay privy of any updates. Solid work and much success in your business efforts!</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do that research. I am majorly empathetic to people with BPD. I am a resource for you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do that research. I am majorly empathetic to people with BPD. I am a resource for you all.</p>
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		<title>By: beep</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/tools-triggers/comment-page-1/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>beep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing that up Bon.  I&#039;m knew to all this - I suspect you may suspect this already.  BPDs seeing neutral faces as angry may explain a lot of things for me.  I&#039;m going to do some research on this angry/neutral face study.  I think it&#039;s just fascinating and bewildering.  What could cause this?  Is there a cause?  What type of protection would this provide a BPD? Again, thank you for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up Bon.  I&#8217;m knew to all this &#8211; I suspect you may suspect this already.  BPDs seeing neutral faces as angry may explain a lot of things for me.  I&#8217;m going to do some research on this angry/neutral face study.  I think it&#8217;s just fascinating and bewildering.  What could cause this?  Is there a cause?  What type of protection would this provide a BPD? Again, thank you for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/tools-triggers/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beep,

Cool - I see your point. A couple of things. First, in these studies they used the Ekman faces - Dr. Paul Ekman actually used his daughter as the subject and before producing those images, he and Richard Davidson had used electrodes to create EVERY expression that the human face could make - even some that couldn&#039;t be made naturally. So, I think the &quot;neutral faces&quot; thing WERE neutral - but the interpretation is where the study comes into play. I bought &quot;Emotions Revealed&quot; (by Ekman) a few years ago and my wife wanted to take the test at the end of the book to recognize neutral, slightly angry, slight contempt, etc. in Dr. Ekman&#039;s daughter. She consistently identified neutral as &quot;slightly angry&quot; and slightly angry as very angry - so I think there is some validity to the low tolerance to anger/judgment argument. In this study the researcher found that people with BPD/ERD reacted to those faces 14 times more than those in the &quot;control&quot; group (those without BPD). Also, I met a woman with BPD at a group once when, taking the test, said (at a &quot;slightly angry&quot; face) &quot;He is angry and he is angry at ME.&quot; 

All that being said, I have a recovered BPD/ERD woman in my group (who I adore and think is wise as you can be) and she said, &quot;Think of neutral feedback on eBay. You don&#039;t give a neutral review when everything is perfect. SOMETHING is wrong with a neutral review.&quot; So, I think your assessment of a neutral reaction being harmful is not only important - but it is also normal. Look, I don&#039;t feel people with BPD or ERD traits are weird or not normal - heck, I have at least two important people in my life (my wife and daughter) that have these traits. My point (mainly) is to educate the (I hate this term) Non-BP to let them know that neutral CAN be interpreted as threatening when someone has a naturally occurring low tolerance for judgment of their emotional reactions. 

In the next day or so, I will be posting some thoughts on tolerance, intensity, up slope, length of reaction and down slope when it comes to emotional reactions - and I feel everyone has his/her own &quot;signature&quot; in that way. It&#039;s not that &quot;calm&quot; people are &quot;better&quot; - everyone has their own profile/signature. Sometimes I even wonder if BPD is a &quot;disorder&quot; at all - maybe it is just a natural adaption to one&#039;s emotional signature.

Anyway... thanks for the clarification and comment. Feel free to contact me if you&#039;d like. And (plug) read my book and have your love ones read it as well (more plugs). No, really, I think I take an interesting &quot;middle road&quot;  between the &quot;screw them&quot; people and the &quot;they&#039;re disordered/crazy&quot; people. I try to walk that tightrope because I really believe that there are many hues of &quot;normal&quot;.

Bon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beep,</p>
<p>Cool &#8211; I see your point. A couple of things. First, in these studies they used the Ekman faces &#8211; Dr. Paul Ekman actually used his daughter as the subject and before producing those images, he and Richard Davidson had used electrodes to create EVERY expression that the human face could make &#8211; even some that couldn&#8217;t be made naturally. So, I think the &#8220;neutral faces&#8221; thing WERE neutral &#8211; but the interpretation is where the study comes into play. I bought &#8220;Emotions Revealed&#8221; (by Ekman) a few years ago and my wife wanted to take the test at the end of the book to recognize neutral, slightly angry, slight contempt, etc. in Dr. Ekman&#8217;s daughter. She consistently identified neutral as &#8220;slightly angry&#8221; and slightly angry as very angry &#8211; so I think there is some validity to the low tolerance to anger/judgment argument. In this study the researcher found that people with BPD/ERD reacted to those faces 14 times more than those in the &#8220;control&#8221; group (those without BPD). Also, I met a woman with BPD at a group once when, taking the test, said (at a &#8220;slightly angry&#8221; face) &#8220;He is angry and he is angry at ME.&#8221; </p>
<p>All that being said, I have a recovered BPD/ERD woman in my group (who I adore and think is wise as you can be) and she said, &#8220;Think of neutral feedback on eBay. You don&#8217;t give a neutral review when everything is perfect. SOMETHING is wrong with a neutral review.&#8221; So, I think your assessment of a neutral reaction being harmful is not only important &#8211; but it is also normal. Look, I don&#8217;t feel people with BPD or ERD traits are weird or not normal &#8211; heck, I have at least two important people in my life (my wife and daughter) that have these traits. My point (mainly) is to educate the (I hate this term) Non-BP to let them know that neutral CAN be interpreted as threatening when someone has a naturally occurring low tolerance for judgment of their emotional reactions. </p>
<p>In the next day or so, I will be posting some thoughts on tolerance, intensity, up slope, length of reaction and down slope when it comes to emotional reactions &#8211; and I feel everyone has his/her own &#8220;signature&#8221; in that way. It&#8217;s not that &#8220;calm&#8221; people are &#8220;better&#8221; &#8211; everyone has their own profile/signature. Sometimes I even wonder if BPD is a &#8220;disorder&#8221; at all &#8211; maybe it is just a natural adaption to one&#8217;s emotional signature.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; thanks for the clarification and comment. Feel free to contact me if you&#8217;d like. And (plug) read my book and have your love ones read it as well (more plugs). No, really, I think I take an interesting &#8220;middle road&#8221;  between the &#8220;screw them&#8221; people and the &#8220;they&#8217;re disordered/crazy&#8221; people. I try to walk that tightrope because I really believe that there are many hues of &#8220;normal&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bon</p>
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		<title>By: Beep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bon.  I understood that you were saying to show emotion.  I wasn&#039;t clear.  I was speaking about the study about BPDs responding to neutral faces the same as angry faces.  I was trying to suggest that those neutral faces may not be neutral at all to the trained eye.  Also that a neutral reaction can be just as harmful as an angry reaction even to a person without BPD and that it is not abnormal to feel threatened by a seemingly neutral face.  For example when they show serial killers with neutral faces while killing victims - killing is threatening.  I was feeling like it wasn&#039;t fair to say that BPDs react negatively to something neutral because perhaps the neutral is not neutral.  Maybe I did miss it somewhere on your post where you said this is not abnormal to react to a neutral face.  What if your abuser maintained a neutral face while being abusive.  Would that not cause a normal person to be weary of neutral faces.  Of course I realize I could be overreacting but it just seemed unfair to me for a study to state that &quot;patients with BPD is that these people react to neutral faces in the same manner they react to angry faces.&quot;  Right now I&#039;m feeling embarrassed about the entire thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bon.  I understood that you were saying to show emotion.  I wasn&#8217;t clear.  I was speaking about the study about BPDs responding to neutral faces the same as angry faces.  I was trying to suggest that those neutral faces may not be neutral at all to the trained eye.  Also that a neutral reaction can be just as harmful as an angry reaction even to a person without BPD and that it is not abnormal to feel threatened by a seemingly neutral face.  For example when they show serial killers with neutral faces while killing victims &#8211; killing is threatening.  I was feeling like it wasn&#8217;t fair to say that BPDs react negatively to something neutral because perhaps the neutral is not neutral.  Maybe I did miss it somewhere on your post where you said this is not abnormal to react to a neutral face.  What if your abuser maintained a neutral face while being abusive.  Would that not cause a normal person to be weary of neutral faces.  Of course I realize I could be overreacting but it just seemed unfair to me for a study to state that &#8220;patients with BPD is that these people react to neutral faces in the same manner they react to angry faces.&#8221;  Right now I&#8217;m feeling embarrassed about the entire thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/tools-triggers/comment-page-1/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beep,

I appreciate your comment, but you read my post incorrectly - in fact I think you read the exact opposite meaning as to what I was saying. I was saying, when dealing with someone expressing am emotion, you should NOT have a neutral face. You should IMO express equal, but slightly less emotion than the other person is feeling. That indicates you are hearing them and that you care.

Bon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beep,</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment, but you read my post incorrectly &#8211; in fact I think you read the exact opposite meaning as to what I was saying. I was saying, when dealing with someone expressing am emotion, you should NOT have a neutral face. You should IMO express equal, but slightly less emotion than the other person is feeling. That indicates you are hearing them and that you care.</p>
<p>Bon</p>
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		<title>By: beep</title>
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		<dc:creator>beep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with your neutral faces or feedback or neutral emotion causing problems.  I grew up with parents who just didn&#039;t care.  When they showed no expression or neutral expression it meant they didn&#039;t care.  Perhaps BPDs are in tune to that.  I know I am.  So when I&#039;m expressing my emotion to someone and they are showing no emotion it says to me they don&#039;t care.  This has been life experience.  When my parents showed no emotion they weren&#039;t even listening to me, they couldn&#039;t even repeat what I had just said.  Can anyone show me I am wrong about people who show no emotion not caring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with your neutral faces or feedback or neutral emotion causing problems.  I grew up with parents who just didn&#8217;t care.  When they showed no expression or neutral expression it meant they didn&#8217;t care.  Perhaps BPDs are in tune to that.  I know I am.  So when I&#8217;m expressing my emotion to someone and they are showing no emotion it says to me they don&#8217;t care.  This has been life experience.  When my parents showed no emotion they weren&#8217;t even listening to me, they couldn&#8217;t even repeat what I had just said.  Can anyone show me I am wrong about people who show no emotion not caring?</p>
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		<title>By: livenlaughnluv</title>
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		<dc:creator>livenlaughnluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Emotionally Dysregulated Moment (or EDM) is trigger -&gt; cognition -&gt; emotion -&gt; expression -&gt; behavior&quot;

I like this, Bon!  This is exactly what it is like.  And this is followed by...

more emotion (shame) -&gt; more expression -&gt; more behavior 

...until the untreated BP feels better --- oftentimes through self-injury, drug/alcohol abuse, or (as we promote) validation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Emotionally Dysregulated Moment (or EDM) is trigger -&gt; cognition -&gt; emotion -&gt; expression -&gt; behavior&#8221;</p>
<p>I like this, Bon!  This is exactly what it is like.  And this is followed by&#8230;</p>
<p>more emotion (shame) -&gt; more expression -&gt; more behavior </p>
<p>&#8230;until the untreated BP feels better &#8212; oftentimes through self-injury, drug/alcohol abuse, or (as we promote) validation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindsite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindsite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bon - 

Interesting post.  I wanted to let you know that we&#039;ve recently published the personality disorders section from the DSM-IV; the section on Borderline is here:  http://www.mindsite.com/dsm_iv/borderline_personality_disorder

No doubt you&#039;ve seen this, but this is the first time it is available for public consumption on the Internet.

Any feedback is much appreciated.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bon &#8211; </p>
<p>Interesting post.  I wanted to let you know that we&#8217;ve recently published the personality disorders section from the DSM-IV; the section on Borderline is here:  <a href="http://www.mindsite.com/dsm_iv/borderline_personality_disorder" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindsite.com/dsm_iv/borderline_personality_disorder</a></p>
<p>No doubt you&#8217;ve seen this, but this is the first time it is available for public consumption on the Internet.</p>
<p>Any feedback is much appreciated.  Cheers.</p>
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