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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 17:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to read this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/&lt;/a&gt; which is an update about high functioning BPD and attachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read this: <a href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/</a> which is an update about high functioning BPD and attachment.</p>
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		<title>By: roller</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-12411</link>
		<dc:creator>roller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, as the friend of a very high functioning female (ex girlfriend) I can certainly testify that I have experienced all of the high functioning behaviours associated to BPD.  She is highly successful, everyone loves her, very social, but hurts deeply inside.  Her rages are inwards and in blame and critisising against me and me only.  She has self hurt once to my knowledge. I am probably only one of two people who know her suffering with BPD, and now she senses I know which has made things worse. My point here though, is that I want to learn more about how to communicate with her as its hard to understand what she needs from a loyal friend that knows her deep suffering ?  I would welcome any advice on this as she continually baits me to push me further away from her even as a friend, I just validate her feelings and then we return to light and airy banter and fun, whilst hanging out occasionally.  She no longer of course shares those deep thoughts and lack of inner self with me - She abandoned our realtionship I think through engulfment fears.  I am now the only person who she does rage at in a very polite, very controlling parental way (as if I&#039;m the child).  She never loses it but pushes all my buttons, never apologises, critises me, and try&#039;s to wind me up in a very controlled, articulate manner.  I know these are her defense mechanisms and it her outlet.  she never loses her temper at work, but with me fluxes from angry and irritable to absolutely charming and great fun to be with.  She gets angry and I think I trigger her when I try to get closer with deeper discussions.  So, these posts have been a revelation but how do we as non&#039;s act as the friends they need when we are the only ones that know their afflictions ? (non of her closest friends know - her masks are impeccable).  She now is avoiding any further relationship trying to heal as she says, but Iknow she craves the love and amiration.  Any ideas of how we can improve such communications to support them would be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, as the friend of a very high functioning female (ex girlfriend) I can certainly testify that I have experienced all of the high functioning behaviours associated to BPD.  She is highly successful, everyone loves her, very social, but hurts deeply inside.  Her rages are inwards and in blame and critisising against me and me only.  She has self hurt once to my knowledge. I am probably only one of two people who know her suffering with BPD, and now she senses I know which has made things worse. My point here though, is that I want to learn more about how to communicate with her as its hard to understand what she needs from a loyal friend that knows her deep suffering ?  I would welcome any advice on this as she continually baits me to push me further away from her even as a friend, I just validate her feelings and then we return to light and airy banter and fun, whilst hanging out occasionally.  She no longer of course shares those deep thoughts and lack of inner self with me &#8211; She abandoned our realtionship I think through engulfment fears.  I am now the only person who she does rage at in a very polite, very controlling parental way (as if I&#8217;m the child).  She never loses it but pushes all my buttons, never apologises, critises me, and try&#8217;s to wind me up in a very controlled, articulate manner.  I know these are her defense mechanisms and it her outlet.  she never loses her temper at work, but with me fluxes from angry and irritable to absolutely charming and great fun to be with.  She gets angry and I think I trigger her when I try to get closer with deeper discussions.  So, these posts have been a revelation but how do we as non&#8217;s act as the friends they need when we are the only ones that know their afflictions ? (non of her closest friends know &#8211; her masks are impeccable).  She now is avoiding any further relationship trying to heal as she says, but Iknow she craves the love and amiration.  Any ideas of how we can improve such communications to support them would be appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-12286</link>
		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Andy, I&#039;m sorry you feel you have no option but to capitulate your life and emotional well-being to disorder.  Your profile is quite similar to many high-functioning BPDs I&#039;ve known and worked with.  

It seems that being single, with no hope of ever having a stable, fulfilling relationship, is always the default position.  If only history is considered, I would agree.  Unfortunately for those who are misinformed and ignorant of the possibilities, you can&#039;t see that you don&#039;t know what you don&#039;t know. 

The guilt and self loathing that drives you to prove your self worth, without ever attaining it, is a huge deceit.  You actually are all the wonderful things you have done, you just don&#039;t feel like it.  So, if the facts are what they are, but you don&#039;t feel they are true, your emotions are lying to you.

So then, the real question is, why don&#039;t your feelings match up with your reality?  The journey to that answer is the one thats been waiting for you.  You can&#039;t hide from yourself, so why not confront what needs to be confronted?   

At any age, there&#039;s lots of life and love out there.  Yeah, I know, but its not available to you, right?  Wrong.  Its all available when you actively confront and deal effectively with disordered neuro pathways.  They won&#039;t go anywhere on their own.  But, they will change if you want to and make the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Andy, I&#8217;m sorry you feel you have no option but to capitulate your life and emotional well-being to disorder.  Your profile is quite similar to many high-functioning BPDs I&#8217;ve known and worked with.  </p>
<p>It seems that being single, with no hope of ever having a stable, fulfilling relationship, is always the default position.  If only history is considered, I would agree.  Unfortunately for those who are misinformed and ignorant of the possibilities, you can&#8217;t see that you don&#8217;t know what you don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>The guilt and self loathing that drives you to prove your self worth, without ever attaining it, is a huge deceit.  You actually are all the wonderful things you have done, you just don&#8217;t feel like it.  So, if the facts are what they are, but you don&#8217;t feel they are true, your emotions are lying to you.</p>
<p>So then, the real question is, why don&#8217;t your feelings match up with your reality?  The journey to that answer is the one thats been waiting for you.  You can&#8217;t hide from yourself, so why not confront what needs to be confronted?   </p>
<p>At any age, there&#8217;s lots of life and love out there.  Yeah, I know, but its not available to you, right?  Wrong.  Its all available when you actively confront and deal effectively with disordered neuro pathways.  They won&#8217;t go anywhere on their own.  But, they will change if you want to and make the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 02:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would consider myself a &quot;High-Functioning BPD&quot;; in fact I find your article a little insulting. I was diagnosed with BPD twenty years ago (when I was 21), and I possess most of the symptoms. I have none of the symptoms of NPD.I&#039;ve managed to get several degrees, a few publications, and I am a University Prof. at a small College. By no means have I achieved the goals I set for myself. I&#039;m an alcoholic, and all of my relationships end in disaster. I have made a point of avoiding meaningful realationships; I have given up on being married or being a father (what I want more than anything). At my worst I carved a large &quot;L&quot; on my chest to scare away would-be girlfriends (to protect them and myself). I&#039;m very involved in my community; in fact I have even foundened a youth foundation that currently has 15 members on the Board. Everyone knows me as an upstanding person and I excel at my job...yet I have made several suicide attempts and have been hospitalized serveral times over the past 20 years. I manage to hide it; and when I can&#039;t I leave town and start again somewhere else. If the definition of &quot;High-Functioning&quot; is that no one else knows we exist...then I can tell you in all honesty that we do. 

I can do this because of guilt and self-loathing. I can&#039;t kill myself until my parents die. Having people think I&#039;m good makes me feel better about myself. I know what I need to do and I hate myself if I don&#039;t...even when I need several drinks just to be able to look someone in the eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would consider myself a &#8220;High-Functioning BPD&#8221;; in fact I find your article a little insulting. I was diagnosed with BPD twenty years ago (when I was 21), and I possess most of the symptoms. I have none of the symptoms of NPD.I&#8217;ve managed to get several degrees, a few publications, and I am a University Prof. at a small College. By no means have I achieved the goals I set for myself. I&#8217;m an alcoholic, and all of my relationships end in disaster. I have made a point of avoiding meaningful realationships; I have given up on being married or being a father (what I want more than anything). At my worst I carved a large &#8220;L&#8221; on my chest to scare away would-be girlfriends (to protect them and myself). I&#8217;m very involved in my community; in fact I have even foundened a youth foundation that currently has 15 members on the Board. Everyone knows me as an upstanding person and I excel at my job&#8230;yet I have made several suicide attempts and have been hospitalized serveral times over the past 20 years. I manage to hide it; and when I can&#8217;t I leave town and start again somewhere else. If the definition of &#8220;High-Functioning&#8221; is that no one else knows we exist&#8230;then I can tell you in all honesty that we do. </p>
<p>I can do this because of guilt and self-loathing. I can&#8217;t kill myself until my parents die. Having people think I&#8217;m good makes me feel better about myself. I know what I need to do and I hate myself if I don&#8217;t&#8230;even when I need several drinks just to be able to look someone in the eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ellie...... send me your email through Bon&#039;s contact button above and I&#039;ll be happy to share.  At only 22, accepting of the diagnosis, and willing to read and learn.... you are already half way out of the woods.  You have no idea how difficult it is for most BPDs to get there and remain determined.

I&#039;ll look forward to hearing from you.....

Markos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ellie&#8230;&#8230; send me your email through Bon&#8217;s contact button above and I&#8217;ll be happy to share.  At only 22, accepting of the diagnosis, and willing to read and learn&#8230;. you are already half way out of the woods.  You have no idea how difficult it is for most BPDs to get there and remain determined.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll look forward to hearing from you&#8230;..</p>
<p>Markos</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;ve only recently been diagnozed as having BPD and I&#039;ve come to terms with the fact that I fit in to that diagnosis, but I&#039;m desperately wanting to face my demons and become well enough to function happily. I am only 22, yet it has caused so many problems already and has meant I am not able to work, I find your posts very inspirational and sympathetic Markos so if there is any way I could get in touch or be given some kind of material to read or direction to try then I&#039;d be incredibly grateful to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;ve only recently been diagnozed as having BPD and I&#8217;ve come to terms with the fact that I fit in to that diagnosis, but I&#8217;m desperately wanting to face my demons and become well enough to function happily. I am only 22, yet it has caused so many problems already and has meant I am not able to work, I find your posts very inspirational and sympathetic Markos so if there is any way I could get in touch or be given some kind of material to read or direction to try then I&#8217;d be incredibly grateful to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: the conept of the high-functioning borderline « under ground</title>
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		<dc:creator>the conept of the high-functioning borderline « under ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-9,

Bon sent me your email, and have sent you my address.  Be in touch as you wish..... thanks again, Bon........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-9,</p>
<p>Bon sent me your email, and have sent you my address.  Be in touch as you wish&#8230;.. thanks again, Bon&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logistics accomplished, thank you Bon.  Karen, I&#039;ll look forward to hearing from you.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logistics accomplished, thank you Bon.  Karen, I&#8217;ll look forward to hearing from you&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: J-9</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Markos:

Thank you very much for your offer of help and for being willing to share your experience and information.  I sent a message via the Contact link/form with my email address requesting that you be provided with my contact information.  I am hoping that the contact form information goes to Bon as I could not find any email address for him.  

Again, thank you, and I look forward to communicating with you in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Markos:</p>
<p>Thank you very much for your offer of help and for being willing to share your experience and information.  I sent a message via the Contact link/form with my email address requesting that you be provided with my contact information.  I am hoping that the contact form information goes to Bon as I could not find any email address for him.  </p>
<p>Again, thank you, and I look forward to communicating with you in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 02:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good, Karen...... I&#039;ll be in touch as soon as Bon sends along your contact info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good, Karen&#8230;&#8230; I&#8217;ll be in touch as soon as Bon sends along your contact info.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markos,
I asked Bon to send you my email, I just wanted to let you know that I did indeed finally figure out how to get a hold of him.     I hope I hear from you soon.
Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markos,<br />
I asked Bon to send you my email, I just wanted to let you know that I did indeed finally figure out how to get a hold of him.     I hope I hear from you soon.<br />
Karen</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

Pardon me while I smile a bit at the fateful end to what was undoubtedly a wonderful missive.   I&#039;ve experienced the same and it simply is what it is.

But, I get the drift quite well.  And my response has been the same argument for a couple of years.  If you read the first post on this page from 2 years ago, I was saying the same thing.  

I had dinner last night with a filmmaker after he screened a couple of segments of his documentary on BPD for a relevant group.  He asked me for my thoughts.  I queried him the with the same sentiment I&#039;ve had.  Why are the BPDs he interviewed, who have been through DBT, Mentalization, TBT, Analysis, and whatever..... still anxious, still melting down (albeit, not as bad), and still unable to sustain peaceful yet exciting intimacies?  He has wondered the same.  Why doesn&#039;t anyone find happiness?  Why, indeed...... as I am now happy all the time.

So, we had a long conversation about what it takes to find the peace of mind that comes with a secure sense of self, and why the mental health industry is not equipped to take you there.  Its a long story, so I&#039;ll cut to the chase.

I started a book club a while back because others from various support groups wanted to know how I got there.  The path I took went through a lot of thought and a variety of titles; a few about BPD, but most were relevant to what creates healthy and unhealthy minds.  Like any other illness, you have to get to the bottom line if you want to find effective resolution.  Most are so tied up in the manifestations, they simply never ask the right questions.

I have lead both borderlines and families through those questions and answers.  Some follow through and find their peace, some are afraid and do not.  Recently, I&#039;ve been asked to develop programs based on those questions and answers; which is now under way.  There will be an online component..... probably what you are looking for.

I&#039;m happy to lay out the landscape for anyone who feels they would benefit.  Feel free to get in touch by writing Bon an email he can then send to me.  So don&#039;t throw your laptop out of the window quite yet.......

Markos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>Pardon me while I smile a bit at the fateful end to what was undoubtedly a wonderful missive.   I&#8217;ve experienced the same and it simply is what it is.</p>
<p>But, I get the drift quite well.  And my response has been the same argument for a couple of years.  If you read the first post on this page from 2 years ago, I was saying the same thing.  </p>
<p>I had dinner last night with a filmmaker after he screened a couple of segments of his documentary on BPD for a relevant group.  He asked me for my thoughts.  I queried him the with the same sentiment I&#8217;ve had.  Why are the BPDs he interviewed, who have been through DBT, Mentalization, TBT, Analysis, and whatever&#8230;.. still anxious, still melting down (albeit, not as bad), and still unable to sustain peaceful yet exciting intimacies?  He has wondered the same.  Why doesn&#8217;t anyone find happiness?  Why, indeed&#8230;&#8230; as I am now happy all the time.</p>
<p>So, we had a long conversation about what it takes to find the peace of mind that comes with a secure sense of self, and why the mental health industry is not equipped to take you there.  Its a long story, so I&#8217;ll cut to the chase.</p>
<p>I started a book club a while back because others from various support groups wanted to know how I got there.  The path I took went through a lot of thought and a variety of titles; a few about BPD, but most were relevant to what creates healthy and unhealthy minds.  Like any other illness, you have to get to the bottom line if you want to find effective resolution.  Most are so tied up in the manifestations, they simply never ask the right questions.</p>
<p>I have lead both borderlines and families through those questions and answers.  Some follow through and find their peace, some are afraid and do not.  Recently, I&#8217;ve been asked to develop programs based on those questions and answers; which is now under way.  There will be an online component&#8230;.. probably what you are looking for.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to lay out the landscape for anyone who feels they would benefit.  Feel free to get in touch by writing Bon an email he can then send to me.  So don&#8217;t throw your laptop out of the window quite yet&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Markos</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markos, thank you for the information. And the time to write back.  

I feel like throwing my laptop out the window, a little rage here. I just wrote the longest letter to you explaining soooo much, so much thought, time, and feeling went into it that I could never remember what I said! And then just lost the whole letter. I am so frustrated!!!!! Basically, I&#039;ve been begging for help for YEARS, I&#039;m blunt about how I feel and what I need-------What I wrote previously was more detailed and a bit more fluid!   Am I scared of the commitment it takes to get better--hell yea! Am I scared of getting better--hell no!! I&#039;ve begged therapists- DBT&#039;s, to give me something to do, homework-really ANYTHING to get something accomplished! A couple of print offs about self image, cognitive thinking, positive verbal direction! Yea, ok I&#039;ve read these a hundred times, now what. Then there is no discussion about them??? 

I&#039;ve read books to help me understand, ok, now what?? I am so sick of nobody ever telling me how to take a step-of any kind... I&#039;m sorry I&#039;m so angry, I really felt as if I accomplished something in my first letter-I felt relief after I wrote it-then it&#039;s just GONE! I&#039;m still shaking over it.....I&#039;m sorry about the neg. energy of what I&#039;m writing now. 

I&#039;m sorry also that I&#039;m using this sight that I stumbled across, I started reading and was drawn in because finally I heard positives and compassion and possible solutions. Not easy to find about BPD, for me anyway. But, when I googled Bon, I read that this was the place to go if you have a loved one with BPD not actual borderlines themselves. So, now I really don&#039;t know where to go--is there a different group I&#039;m supposed to go???
Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markos, thank you for the information. And the time to write back.  </p>
<p>I feel like throwing my laptop out the window, a little rage here. I just wrote the longest letter to you explaining soooo much, so much thought, time, and feeling went into it that I could never remember what I said! And then just lost the whole letter. I am so frustrated!!!!! Basically, I&#8217;ve been begging for help for YEARS, I&#8217;m blunt about how I feel and what I need&#8212;&#8212;-What I wrote previously was more detailed and a bit more fluid!   Am I scared of the commitment it takes to get better&#8211;hell yea! Am I scared of getting better&#8211;hell no!! I&#8217;ve begged therapists- DBT&#8217;s, to give me something to do, homework-really ANYTHING to get something accomplished! A couple of print offs about self image, cognitive thinking, positive verbal direction! Yea, ok I&#8217;ve read these a hundred times, now what. Then there is no discussion about them??? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read books to help me understand, ok, now what?? I am so sick of nobody ever telling me how to take a step-of any kind&#8230; I&#8217;m sorry I&#8217;m so angry, I really felt as if I accomplished something in my first letter-I felt relief after I wrote it-then it&#8217;s just GONE! I&#8217;m still shaking over it&#8230;..I&#8217;m sorry about the neg. energy of what I&#8217;m writing now. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry also that I&#8217;m using this sight that I stumbled across, I started reading and was drawn in because finally I heard positives and compassion and possible solutions. Not easy to find about BPD, for me anyway. But, when I googled Bon, I read that this was the place to go if you have a loved one with BPD not actual borderlines themselves. So, now I really don&#8217;t know where to go&#8211;is there a different group I&#8217;m supposed to go???<br />
Karen</p>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,

You guys need a good therapist who is familiar with the typical BPD transactions you cycle through.  What you describe will continue indefinitely until you intervene by seeking help, or someone leaves.  You both create the resistance the other needs to keep the defenses in place.

The BPD wife of a man who attends a support group I coordinate left her husband of 20 years and 5 children.  He &#039;lived with&#039; her illness, and the life that gave him, never looking for resolution.  If you do not get the help you need, you may have to live with the consequence of inaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>You guys need a good therapist who is familiar with the typical BPD transactions you cycle through.  What you describe will continue indefinitely until you intervene by seeking help, or someone leaves.  You both create the resistance the other needs to keep the defenses in place.</p>
<p>The BPD wife of a man who attends a support group I coordinate left her husband of 20 years and 5 children.  He &#8216;lived with&#8217; her illness, and the life that gave him, never looking for resolution.  If you do not get the help you need, you may have to live with the consequence of inaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My undiagnosed BPD/NPD wife is back going down a well trodden path of being an abuser who likes to play the victim. 

Verbally abusing me again in front of our children then blaming me and all around her for her problems. 

She then goes running off playing &quot;poor me&quot;, look what he has done now, can you help me my husband is so bad. 

Next week it will be &quot;Why can&#039;t we just be friends&quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My undiagnosed BPD/NPD wife is back going down a well trodden path of being an abuser who likes to play the victim. </p>
<p>Verbally abusing me again in front of our children then blaming me and all around her for her problems. </p>
<p>She then goes running off playing &#8220;poor me&#8221;, look what he has done now, can you help me my husband is so bad. </p>
<p>Next week it will be &#8220;Why can&#8217;t we just be friends&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 03:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Karen, as I have posted many times....... therapists have no way of knowing how and why a person with BPD feels the way they do, because only someone who has been there can begin to relate, and understand the depth.  

DBT is all about managing the emotional symptoms to a point where the desperation is alleviated.  Certainly not a bad start, but it is just a start.  A few of the previous comments were to the same effect as yours.  The psycho-psychiatric industry is doing the best they can with little knowledge of what BPD is actually all about.  And most with BPD don&#039;t want to go there either.  The disorder is their defense.  

There is real peace, without emptiness, and with a very strong and secure sense of self; without grandiosity.  It is a process of education, awareness, and disciplined application.  You have to want it bad enough to be vulnerable, uncomfortable, and determined to follow through.

J-9 above, asked me how I did it.  I offered to tell her if he/she got in touch through Bonn. Never did.  I think most identify with their disorder to whatever degree, and they are afraid of the unknown of being well; and being at peace.  Disorder, and its adrenaline, is the only identity they&#039;ve known.  This has been the case with a few I&#039;ve mentored, sad as the result is.  

I can tell you, resolution is worth the trip.  Only you can decide its time.  If you are miserable enough, you might be ready.  But as I think you know,  only the deeper work will get the job done, and keep it done.

Markos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Karen, as I have posted many times&#8230;&#8230;. therapists have no way of knowing how and why a person with BPD feels the way they do, because only someone who has been there can begin to relate, and understand the depth.  </p>
<p>DBT is all about managing the emotional symptoms to a point where the desperation is alleviated.  Certainly not a bad start, but it is just a start.  A few of the previous comments were to the same effect as yours.  The psycho-psychiatric industry is doing the best they can with little knowledge of what BPD is actually all about.  And most with BPD don&#8217;t want to go there either.  The disorder is their defense.  </p>
<p>There is real peace, without emptiness, and with a very strong and secure sense of self; without grandiosity.  It is a process of education, awareness, and disciplined application.  You have to want it bad enough to be vulnerable, uncomfortable, and determined to follow through.</p>
<p>J-9 above, asked me how I did it.  I offered to tell her if he/she got in touch through Bonn. Never did.  I think most identify with their disorder to whatever degree, and they are afraid of the unknown of being well; and being at peace.  Disorder, and its adrenaline, is the only identity they&#8217;ve known.  This has been the case with a few I&#8217;ve mentored, sad as the result is.  </p>
<p>I can tell you, resolution is worth the trip.  Only you can decide its time.  If you are miserable enough, you might be ready.  But as I think you know,  only the deeper work will get the job done, and keep it done.</p>
<p>Markos</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Bon
I do go to a &#039;supposed&#039; DBT therapist that hasn&#039;t addressed the bpd symptoms or how to deal with staying alive. She said that she doesn&#039;t like &#039;labels&#039;, but why does it have to be a label if it&#039;s a true and accurate diagnosis?? Why can&#039;t the symptoms be addressed without a &#039;label&#039;?? For her it&#039;s a way out of dealing with hard issues...for me, it means NOBODY understands me, my thinking, my shell of whats left, my overwhelming emptiness. And they don&#039;t want to. And now we&#039;re moving in a month to a different state which means more doctors, more stress--and I hold very little hope I&#039;ll find the right help there either. WHY is it so damn hard to find a THERAPIST that understands before it&#039;s too late?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bon<br />
I do go to a &#8216;supposed&#8217; DBT therapist that hasn&#8217;t addressed the bpd symptoms or how to deal with staying alive. She said that she doesn&#8217;t like &#8216;labels&#8217;, but why does it have to be a label if it&#8217;s a true and accurate diagnosis?? Why can&#8217;t the symptoms be addressed without a &#8216;label&#8217;?? For her it&#8217;s a way out of dealing with hard issues&#8230;for me, it means NOBODY understands me, my thinking, my shell of whats left, my overwhelming emptiness. And they don&#8217;t want to. And now we&#8217;re moving in a month to a different state which means more doctors, more stress&#8211;and I hold very little hope I&#8217;ll find the right help there either. WHY is it so damn hard to find a THERAPIST that understands before it&#8217;s too late?</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 04:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

There are only a few therapists around who can understand the reasons why you feel hopeless and full of despair.  Mine told me once the aloneness borderlines feel is existential in nature; which is not something a manual can address, or something many can relate to.  

But there are those of us who have been there, and found the path to peace.  When you become aware of the depth at which you must deal with your issues, and are not satisfied with mere comfort, management, strategy, or coping skills....... count yourself lucky that acting no longer works, and  you are probably ready to do the real work.  Like most, you need a guiding hand.

You won&#039;t find the deeper answers you want in one place quite yet, but they are there now; like a puzzle, waiting for your beautifully sensitive, however disordered mind to piece them together.   

Please understand there is a difference between Karen, and Karen&#039;s disorder.  Karen doesn&#039;t have a palpable void at the center of her core, but Karen&#039;s disorder has created a perception of it that feels very real.  You can&#039;t know the difference because you have experienced only the disordered version, so its impossible to imagine.  The journey is to remove the spider web of defenses that don&#039;t allow you the security and serenity of simply accepting and being yourself.  Yeah, I know, who is that?  

More help is on the way.  A program is in development where recovered borderlines will help guide and mentor those who wish to be.  In the mean time, find a smart, centered, and compassionate therapist,  who is willing to challenge your perceptions.  If you are into reading, its all out there in bits and pieces.  Awareness is the ticket, and education teaches you what to be aware of.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>There are only a few therapists around who can understand the reasons why you feel hopeless and full of despair.  Mine told me once the aloneness borderlines feel is existential in nature; which is not something a manual can address, or something many can relate to.  </p>
<p>But there are those of us who have been there, and found the path to peace.  When you become aware of the depth at which you must deal with your issues, and are not satisfied with mere comfort, management, strategy, or coping skills&#8230;&#8230;. count yourself lucky that acting no longer works, and  you are probably ready to do the real work.  Like most, you need a guiding hand.</p>
<p>You won&#8217;t find the deeper answers you want in one place quite yet, but they are there now; like a puzzle, waiting for your beautifully sensitive, however disordered mind to piece them together.   </p>
<p>Please understand there is a difference between Karen, and Karen&#8217;s disorder.  Karen doesn&#8217;t have a palpable void at the center of her core, but Karen&#8217;s disorder has created a perception of it that feels very real.  You can&#8217;t know the difference because you have experienced only the disordered version, so its impossible to imagine.  The journey is to remove the spider web of defenses that don&#8217;t allow you the security and serenity of simply accepting and being yourself.  Yeah, I know, who is that?  </p>
<p>More help is on the way.  A program is in development where recovered borderlines will help guide and mentor those who wish to be.  In the mean time, find a smart, centered, and compassionate therapist,  who is willing to challenge your perceptions.  If you are into reading, its all out there in bits and pieces.  Awareness is the ticket, and education teaches you what to be aware of&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 02:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen,

Wow. Rarely do I see a message with this feeling behind it. I would suggest you try to find a DBT therapist in your area. It&#039;s not easy to find one, yet they can help with the desperation. Best if luck.

Bon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen,</p>
<p>Wow. Rarely do I see a message with this feeling behind it. I would suggest you try to find a DBT therapist in your area. It&#8217;s not easy to find one, yet they can help with the desperation. Best if luck.</p>
<p>Bon</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please God help me....I am so desperate I don&#039;t know what to do! I&#039;m not in ANY immediate danger but I need SOMEONE to guide me towards PROPER help! Sick of the surface therapy when everyday of my life I&#039;m filled with despair and hopelessness.
Please, Karen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please God help me&#8230;.I am so desperate I don&#8217;t know what to do! I&#8217;m not in ANY immediate danger but I need SOMEONE to guide me towards PROPER help! Sick of the surface therapy when everyday of my life I&#8217;m filled with despair and hopelessness.<br />
Please, Karen</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I am not a mental health professional I have has a 20 year marriage to a person who fullfills 7/9 criteria for BPD and 9/9 of your criteria for NPD. 

This person alternated between fear of abandonment, a desire to merge and then a fear of engulfment and a need for independence. 

They alternated from having no sense of self to feeling that they are better than everyone else.  

Obscessed by appearance. 

One minute they feel worthless and the next they feel a huge sence of entitlement. 

Accept no responsibility, blames everyone, never commited to therapy. Worked for several years blamed her boss, working conditions, co-workers. Felt she was better than them all. 

They has made false accusations of domestic violence, abuse and child abuse against me. 

I realise they have a mental health problems and behavious are a coping mechanism. The sad reality is the damaging effect themself, family and children. 

Has been seen by two experiences psychologists but remains undiagnosed. One feels the likely diagnosis is uBPD with some NPD traits and the other uNPD with some BPD traits.

Father is a uNPD and mother uBPD. 

Genetics and family environment can produce indeviduals with both NPD and BPD patterns of behaviour. They have been present in our time together for over 20 years. 

To normal people they are considered &quot;odd&quot;, &quot;not right&quot;, &quot;different&quot;, &quot;of but would not chose ato be their friend&quot;

I agree this combination is not see by mental health professionals as they are subclinical. They do not cut or threaten suicide. In many ways the NPD element counter balance the BPD traits. Bothor either can be expressed ant any time. 

This is a devastating combination for family members. It does exist. I am not suprised doubt it&#039;s existance. You have to live it to understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I am not a mental health professional I have has a 20 year marriage to a person who fullfills 7/9 criteria for BPD and 9/9 of your criteria for NPD. </p>
<p>This person alternated between fear of abandonment, a desire to merge and then a fear of engulfment and a need for independence. </p>
<p>They alternated from having no sense of self to feeling that they are better than everyone else.  </p>
<p>Obscessed by appearance. </p>
<p>One minute they feel worthless and the next they feel a huge sence of entitlement. </p>
<p>Accept no responsibility, blames everyone, never commited to therapy. Worked for several years blamed her boss, working conditions, co-workers. Felt she was better than them all. </p>
<p>They has made false accusations of domestic violence, abuse and child abuse against me. </p>
<p>I realise they have a mental health problems and behavious are a coping mechanism. The sad reality is the damaging effect themself, family and children. </p>
<p>Has been seen by two experiences psychologists but remains undiagnosed. One feels the likely diagnosis is uBPD with some NPD traits and the other uNPD with some BPD traits.</p>
<p>Father is a uNPD and mother uBPD. </p>
<p>Genetics and family environment can produce indeviduals with both NPD and BPD patterns of behaviour. They have been present in our time together for over 20 years. </p>
<p>To normal people they are considered &#8220;odd&#8221;, &#8220;not right&#8221;, &#8220;different&#8221;, &#8220;of but would not chose ato be their friend&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree this combination is not see by mental health professionals as they are subclinical. They do not cut or threaten suicide. In many ways the NPD element counter balance the BPD traits. Bothor either can be expressed ant any time. </p>
<p>This is a devastating combination for family members. It does exist. I am not suprised doubt it&#8217;s existance. You have to live it to understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-9,

I realize my response to your questions would seem a bit generic.  I am forced to write in generalities because the path for each must be tailored to meet each person where they are.

If you would like specifics, it would be more appropriate to explore that  arena off the public airways.  If you wish, feel free to get in touch with me through Bons email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-9,</p>
<p>I realize my response to your questions would seem a bit generic.  I am forced to write in generalities because the path for each must be tailored to meet each person where they are.</p>
<p>If you would like specifics, it would be more appropriate to explore that  arena off the public airways.  If you wish, feel free to get in touch with me through Bons email.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J-9,

The questions you are asking are quite relevant to remitting the disorder.  Being able to see and understand the difference between management and resolution is very important to taking further steps.  Wanting a deep sense of peace about who you are and your place in life itself is a prerequisite; which is far beyond learning skill sets and coping mechanisms to help you get through the day, month, and year.

To affect resolution, as I mentioned to Martin, you really have to want it.  The process has many layers, that, each of the known therapies touch on......  which, is why your foray into DBT had only a partial effect; especially after a mere 3 months.  You have to want resolution to stick with the process, which is much broader than DBT or any other single therapy.  So, I agree that you haven&#039;t found the &#039;right thing to try;&#039; as it isn&#039;t simply one thing.

To answer the next question...... yes, I do act as a mentor to many BPDs who really want to find a path out of the swamp of emotional pain, and are willing to do the work to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J-9,</p>
<p>The questions you are asking are quite relevant to remitting the disorder.  Being able to see and understand the difference between management and resolution is very important to taking further steps.  Wanting a deep sense of peace about who you are and your place in life itself is a prerequisite; which is far beyond learning skill sets and coping mechanisms to help you get through the day, month, and year.</p>
<p>To affect resolution, as I mentioned to Martin, you really have to want it.  The process has many layers, that, each of the known therapies touch on&#8230;&#8230;  which, is why your foray into DBT had only a partial effect; especially after a mere 3 months.  You have to want resolution to stick with the process, which is much broader than DBT or any other single therapy.  So, I agree that you haven&#8217;t found the &#8216;right thing to try;&#8217; as it isn&#8217;t simply one thing.</p>
<p>To answer the next question&#8230;&#8230; yes, I do act as a mentor to many BPDs who really want to find a path out of the swamp of emotional pain, and are willing to do the work to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: J-9</title>
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		<dc:creator>J-9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markos:

I am very intriqued by your comments regarding having cured yourself of the pain of BPD (if I understand what you are staying correctly).  I was diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder about 11 years ago.  I actually first diagnosed myself; I was researching why I had such intense problems with abandonment when I came across information about BPD and it seemed to &quot;fit.&quot;  I found a research study being conducted and was assessed by the research team for inclusion into the study.  I was found after a lengthy intake assessment to have BPD.  Here is the study I participated in:

http://nyp.org/news/hospital/bpd-collaboration.html

I was assigned into the DBT portion of the study.  For reasons that are too involved to delve into here, I dropped out after 3 months.  I did find the DBT helpful for reducing my reactivity to the emotional pain I experience.

I&#039;ve come to question whether I had/have BPD at all.  I do not believe this is due to any denial on my part or any attempt at not taking responsibility for change.  I was the one who recognized I had a problem and searched out answers; I had no difficulties accepting a diagnosis of BPD if it helped explain what was happening with me and if it gave me some hope for finding a solution.  As with why I dropped out of the study, my reasons for my current perspective that I may not have BPD after all would take some time to explain so I will refrain.

Regardless of whether I did/do have BPD or not, I most certainly continue to suffer from intense abandonment anxiety and preoccupation with abandonment.  I still have very intense episodes of emotional pain that can be triggered; once triggered, it is difficult to work my way out of it, I sort of have to ride it out.  As Bon has pointed out in his posts, not acting out on the pain seems to be the primary goal of many treatments, but the pain remains.  While I don&#039;t harm myself or others when it occurs, it is very draining emotionally and takes an incredible amount of time and effort to work through until I&#039;m at a point where I&#039;m ok.

I try to be fiercly honest with myself (I suppose to the extent that anyone can, especially someone with a personality disorder if that should be the case lol) and have no issues with examining aspects of myself I do not like.  To date my inability to eradicate myself of this pain is not for lack of trying...perhaps I just haven&#039;t found the right thing to try.  I&#039;d greatly appreciate it if you could provide some guidance or information on how you managed your cure.  Was it a form of self help or a specific type of therapy?  Is it something you can instruct others in?  Any information would be much appreciated.

Thank you in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markos:</p>
<p>I am very intriqued by your comments regarding having cured yourself of the pain of BPD (if I understand what you are staying correctly).  I was diagnosed as having borderline personality disorder about 11 years ago.  I actually first diagnosed myself; I was researching why I had such intense problems with abandonment when I came across information about BPD and it seemed to &#8220;fit.&#8221;  I found a research study being conducted and was assessed by the research team for inclusion into the study.  I was found after a lengthy intake assessment to have BPD.  Here is the study I participated in:</p>
<p><a href="http://nyp.org/news/hospital/bpd-collaboration.html" rel="nofollow">http://nyp.org/news/hospital/bpd-collaboration.html</a></p>
<p>I was assigned into the DBT portion of the study.  For reasons that are too involved to delve into here, I dropped out after 3 months.  I did find the DBT helpful for reducing my reactivity to the emotional pain I experience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve come to question whether I had/have BPD at all.  I do not believe this is due to any denial on my part or any attempt at not taking responsibility for change.  I was the one who recognized I had a problem and searched out answers; I had no difficulties accepting a diagnosis of BPD if it helped explain what was happening with me and if it gave me some hope for finding a solution.  As with why I dropped out of the study, my reasons for my current perspective that I may not have BPD after all would take some time to explain so I will refrain.</p>
<p>Regardless of whether I did/do have BPD or not, I most certainly continue to suffer from intense abandonment anxiety and preoccupation with abandonment.  I still have very intense episodes of emotional pain that can be triggered; once triggered, it is difficult to work my way out of it, I sort of have to ride it out.  As Bon has pointed out in his posts, not acting out on the pain seems to be the primary goal of many treatments, but the pain remains.  While I don&#8217;t harm myself or others when it occurs, it is very draining emotionally and takes an incredible amount of time and effort to work through until I&#8217;m at a point where I&#8217;m ok.</p>
<p>I try to be fiercly honest with myself (I suppose to the extent that anyone can, especially someone with a personality disorder if that should be the case lol) and have no issues with examining aspects of myself I do not like.  To date my inability to eradicate myself of this pain is not for lack of trying&#8230;perhaps I just haven&#8217;t found the right thing to try.  I&#8217;d greatly appreciate it if you could provide some guidance or information on how you managed your cure.  Was it a form of self help or a specific type of therapy?  Is it something you can instruct others in?  Any information would be much appreciated.</p>
<p>Thank you in advance.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,  

The problem with the psyche assessment for HF BPDs is the very nature of the assessment.  The markers for BPD are biased toward low to mid functioning BPD, which presents very different than high functioning.  Nothing came to the surface in my neuro psyche/personality testing, though clearly there was something very wrong.  It is only those closest to the HF BPD that know the depth of the issues; within the context of a broad, externally validated, high functioning life. 

Most HF BPDs hold their pain beneath the surface until the tediously balanced equilibriums of their compartmentalized lives become unglued by external factors; then allowing the floodgates of buried emotion to open.  The abandonment of a break up, or the threat of it, is the most likely initiative.

The question is, do you want to figure out the puzzle of your mind and find real peace, or do you want to rebuild those anxious equilibriums, and manage the illness.  You are right about taking responsibility, and you are the only one that can.  The extreme breakdown will be waiting, once again, behind the rebuilt walls.

Actually, I would ask you to carefully consider your comment about feeling your life has no meaning; and the extreme issues being behind you.  The crisis of the moment may have passed, but the enduring feeling of meaninglessness remains.  It is the source of that feeling that you have to deal with, both intellectually and emotionally, to remit the disorder.  Again, how much to you want to have a mind and life that is peaceful and content?  It takes a real commitment to do the real work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,  </p>
<p>The problem with the psyche assessment for HF BPDs is the very nature of the assessment.  The markers for BPD are biased toward low to mid functioning BPD, which presents very different than high functioning.  Nothing came to the surface in my neuro psyche/personality testing, though clearly there was something very wrong.  It is only those closest to the HF BPD that know the depth of the issues; within the context of a broad, externally validated, high functioning life. </p>
<p>Most HF BPDs hold their pain beneath the surface until the tediously balanced equilibriums of their compartmentalized lives become unglued by external factors; then allowing the floodgates of buried emotion to open.  The abandonment of a break up, or the threat of it, is the most likely initiative.</p>
<p>The question is, do you want to figure out the puzzle of your mind and find real peace, or do you want to rebuild those anxious equilibriums, and manage the illness.  You are right about taking responsibility, and you are the only one that can.  The extreme breakdown will be waiting, once again, behind the rebuilt walls.</p>
<p>Actually, I would ask you to carefully consider your comment about feeling your life has no meaning; and the extreme issues being behind you.  The crisis of the moment may have passed, but the enduring feeling of meaninglessness remains.  It is the source of that feeling that you have to deal with, both intellectually and emotionally, to remit the disorder.  Again, how much to you want to have a mind and life that is peaceful and content?  It takes a real commitment to do the real work.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Markos for your reply.  

I had a psyche assessment by an expert in PD&#039;s (I&#039;m told), and she told me I really didn&#039;t fit in to the normal BPD experience at all.  I had a lot of the problems that are typical of the BPD experience especially in relationships and sticking down a job, problems with self image etc.  But what I call my breakdown almost unleashed an inner hell.  She did wonder whether my experience was just that of a high functioning BPD who failed to cope with the stress of a breaking up relationship or whether it wasn&#039;t true BPD at all.  Interesting really.  

It is strange, in a sense diagnosis of BPD explained so much of how disordered I knew I was and it was comforting.  I felt understood and safe in a way as I had been reflecting on much of my behaviour both before and during/after the breakdown.  So your comment about &quot;how bad do you want to not have a disorder&quot; is a very pertinent question.  It is almost like saying &quot;Do I want to be responsible for my life?&quot;.  To be completely honest with you I&#039;m not sure if I do.  I think the extreme element of my mental health is behind me and I am calming as time goes by.  My life has no meaning to me, I have no interests in life and I feel that I am not really living.  This is obviously a bad state to be in and actually wrong. This is why I feel I still need to work through more therapy.  I had a 2 year psychodynamic therapy program that I got a lot out of but I think that I have still things to work through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Markos for your reply.  </p>
<p>I had a psyche assessment by an expert in PD&#8217;s (I&#8217;m told), and she told me I really didn&#8217;t fit in to the normal BPD experience at all.  I had a lot of the problems that are typical of the BPD experience especially in relationships and sticking down a job, problems with self image etc.  But what I call my breakdown almost unleashed an inner hell.  She did wonder whether my experience was just that of a high functioning BPD who failed to cope with the stress of a breaking up relationship or whether it wasn&#8217;t true BPD at all.  Interesting really.  </p>
<p>It is strange, in a sense diagnosis of BPD explained so much of how disordered I knew I was and it was comforting.  I felt understood and safe in a way as I had been reflecting on much of my behaviour both before and during/after the breakdown.  So your comment about &#8220;how bad do you want to not have a disorder&#8221; is a very pertinent question.  It is almost like saying &#8220;Do I want to be responsible for my life?&#8221;.  To be completely honest with you I&#8217;m not sure if I do.  I think the extreme element of my mental health is behind me and I am calming as time goes by.  My life has no meaning to me, I have no interests in life and I feel that I am not really living.  This is obviously a bad state to be in and actually wrong. This is why I feel I still need to work through more therapy.  I had a 2 year psychodynamic therapy program that I got a lot out of but I think that I have still things to work through.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2011 04:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the party, Martin..... probably not one you were looking for.  I just read your comments and will have more to say later, but keep in mind the journey is all about turning what was a curse into a gift.  It takes a while, but with the right initiatives, the sensitivity that has left you wounded can become an insightful looking glass with which to see a wonderfully rich world outside of yourself..........  the question is always, how bad do you want to not have a disorder?  The brain is plastic at any age, which means it can unlearn, relearn, or learn for the first time how to live in an ordered world; both inside and outside of your mind.  I can tell you, its great.  But you really have to want it, and put that healthy IQ behind the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the party, Martin&#8230;.. probably not one you were looking for.  I just read your comments and will have more to say later, but keep in mind the journey is all about turning what was a curse into a gift.  It takes a while, but with the right initiatives, the sensitivity that has left you wounded can become an insightful looking glass with which to see a wonderfully rich world outside of yourself&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.  the question is always, how bad do you want to not have a disorder?  The brain is plastic at any age, which means it can unlearn, relearn, or learn for the first time how to live in an ordered world; both inside and outside of your mind.  I can tell you, its great.  But you really have to want it, and put that healthy IQ behind the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote &quot;Just as BPD is defined by its pervasiveness, so too is recovery from the disorder. A BP will appear to recover if they find themselves in a loving, non-judgmental, nurturing environment that does not challenge their vulnerability. Place the same individual in a critical invalidating situation and the disorder will quickly emerge.&quot;

Just think that this comment is right on.  This is exactly the situation I feel I am in.  Well stated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote &#8220;Just as BPD is defined by its pervasiveness, so too is recovery from the disorder. A BP will appear to recover if they find themselves in a loving, non-judgmental, nurturing environment that does not challenge their vulnerability. Place the same individual in a critical invalidating situation and the disorder will quickly emerge.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just think that this comment is right on.  This is exactly the situation I feel I am in.  Well stated!</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article and comments make fascinating reading and I&#039;ve got a lot to think about out of it.  I am apparently a high functioning Borderline.  Diagnosis came late in life only because a traumatic breakup brought out the more acting out symptoms.  Since studying the disorder I realise I have masked it well enough since, well, childhood really.  Perhaps it is correct to say the high functioning is partly about hiding the disorder better.  I was diagnosed satisfying 8 of the 9 criteria but there is always the element of depth of the disorder.  I once read that sufferers can fall into 4 subtypes so one surely one Borderline can appear very different to another.  This IQ thing.. I also read that BPDs tend to average at the higher end of the intelligence scores, I didn&#039;t get to understand why but I managed a Masters and was a doctoral student.  BPDs definately acquire people skills as to be a good manipulator means being able to read people at an advanced level.  Maybe this is a form of intelligence?

I have experienced someone with NPD and there is clearly a lot of overlap and similarity probably with a lot of PDs.  My experience of NPD is of a massively manipulative person craving importance and recognition.  Everything seems to be about them and they seem to be unable to accept responsibility for any action that doesn&#039;t paint them well. I guess it is impossible for us BPDs to see ourselves as others see us and seeing another PD was a real eyeopener for me.  I guess there are lots of different ways for a bottomed out self esteem to make itself known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article and comments make fascinating reading and I&#8217;ve got a lot to think about out of it.  I am apparently a high functioning Borderline.  Diagnosis came late in life only because a traumatic breakup brought out the more acting out symptoms.  Since studying the disorder I realise I have masked it well enough since, well, childhood really.  Perhaps it is correct to say the high functioning is partly about hiding the disorder better.  I was diagnosed satisfying 8 of the 9 criteria but there is always the element of depth of the disorder.  I once read that sufferers can fall into 4 subtypes so one surely one Borderline can appear very different to another.  This IQ thing.. I also read that BPDs tend to average at the higher end of the intelligence scores, I didn&#8217;t get to understand why but I managed a Masters and was a doctoral student.  BPDs definately acquire people skills as to be a good manipulator means being able to read people at an advanced level.  Maybe this is a form of intelligence?</p>
<p>I have experienced someone with NPD and there is clearly a lot of overlap and similarity probably with a lot of PDs.  My experience of NPD is of a massively manipulative person craving importance and recognition.  Everything seems to be about them and they seem to be unable to accept responsibility for any action that doesn&#8217;t paint them well. I guess it is impossible for us BPDs to see ourselves as others see us and seeing another PD was a real eyeopener for me.  I guess there are lots of different ways for a bottomed out self esteem to make itself known.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you have taken note of is the fact that BPD is not a nice neat set of parameters.  Each individual with a sensitive mind will have a different presentation; depending on their degree of sensitivity, raw IQ, and type and intensity of the inconsistent, neglectful, and/or abusive environment they came from.  Presentation will also vary widely according to the current environment.  No two BPDs are exactly the same, hight or low functioning.  But percentages of the 9 characteristics  in the DSM IV are very common, which is why they are used to diagnose the illness.

If you have not exhibited at least 5 of the 9  attributes over a sustained period of time, you are probably not a borderline.  Although, being raised by one, you could not escape picking up some of the idiosyncrasies.  But having idiosyncrasies and/or dysfunctionality, is not a disorder.  Disorder is a parallel universe that is interwoven with reality.   There must have been enough mitigating influences that brought enough stability, for you to retain a strong reference to an ordered and realistic grasp of the truth.  If you didn&#039;t, you&#039;d know it.  The fear and frustration of disordered perception is unmistakable.

I&#039;m so glad you missed that train, and meds have been able to take care of your business.  You are right, though meds can sometimes help, they alone won&#039;t help anyone to a centered sense of self, borderline or otherwise.  That will remain the task of dealing with the wounds and defenses of deficient nurturing, identifying the resulting and entrenched disordered processing; and with discipline and determination, learn how think and relate to ourselves and the world around us in a completely different way than we have ever known.  

The dialectical thinking of DBT and the reflection of Mentalization are two very important skills for anyone, and imperative for the BPD.  But they will not, by themselves, remit the illness.  A full recovery is a much broader and deeper path; and unfortunately, one that is thought to be practically impossible by far too many in the mental health field.  It is, quite possible.

So many pros simply don&#039;t know what they don&#039;t know. And they seem to be content enough with what they do know to refrain from acknowledging questions and answers that have already been posed, resolved, and documented.    And what a shame as many would love to do the work to reach a higher bar, and leave behind their life of disorder; if only they knew how, or had a guide to take them there.

Its a peaceful, happy, connected, loving, and thoughtful life on the other side; without the need to project, blame or analyze anything.  Imagine that, a wonderful life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you have taken note of is the fact that BPD is not a nice neat set of parameters.  Each individual with a sensitive mind will have a different presentation; depending on their degree of sensitivity, raw IQ, and type and intensity of the inconsistent, neglectful, and/or abusive environment they came from.  Presentation will also vary widely according to the current environment.  No two BPDs are exactly the same, hight or low functioning.  But percentages of the 9 characteristics  in the DSM IV are very common, which is why they are used to diagnose the illness.</p>
<p>If you have not exhibited at least 5 of the 9  attributes over a sustained period of time, you are probably not a borderline.  Although, being raised by one, you could not escape picking up some of the idiosyncrasies.  But having idiosyncrasies and/or dysfunctionality, is not a disorder.  Disorder is a parallel universe that is interwoven with reality.   There must have been enough mitigating influences that brought enough stability, for you to retain a strong reference to an ordered and realistic grasp of the truth.  If you didn&#8217;t, you&#8217;d know it.  The fear and frustration of disordered perception is unmistakable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad you missed that train, and meds have been able to take care of your business.  You are right, though meds can sometimes help, they alone won&#8217;t help anyone to a centered sense of self, borderline or otherwise.  That will remain the task of dealing with the wounds and defenses of deficient nurturing, identifying the resulting and entrenched disordered processing; and with discipline and determination, learn how think and relate to ourselves and the world around us in a completely different way than we have ever known.  </p>
<p>The dialectical thinking of DBT and the reflection of Mentalization are two very important skills for anyone, and imperative for the BPD.  But they will not, by themselves, remit the illness.  A full recovery is a much broader and deeper path; and unfortunately, one that is thought to be practically impossible by far too many in the mental health field.  It is, quite possible.</p>
<p>So many pros simply don&#8217;t know what they don&#8217;t know. And they seem to be content enough with what they do know to refrain from acknowledging questions and answers that have already been posed, resolved, and documented.    And what a shame as many would love to do the work to reach a higher bar, and leave behind their life of disorder; if only they knew how, or had a guide to take them there.</p>
<p>Its a peaceful, happy, connected, loving, and thoughtful life on the other side; without the need to project, blame or analyze anything.  Imagine that, a wonderful life.</p>
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		<title>By: Highly Functioning Borderline?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highly Functioning Borderline?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate your article.  As a person who suffers from a &quot;non specified mood disorder&quot; as a result of being raised (and/or inherited) some condition from my borderline mother, I take issue with the idea that highly functioning borderlines don&#039;t exist.  If you were raised by a violent, sadistic borderline, it&#039;s hard not to have acquired borderline or naricissitic traits.  I have done therapy and seen a psychiatrist for several years (been on meds) which has greatly helped me deal with PTSD (stress), relationships and other childhood issues. There have been questions regarding whether I&#039;m a borderline by health care professionals, but the label doesn&#039;t stick - not suicidal, do not rage, can maintain long term relationships, no impulsive behavior, abandonment not really an issue (although I feel alone most of the time).  I was very angry and did rage quite a bit in my twenties (anger was directed towards my mother for not being there) - this was borderline behavior, I believe.  However, I worked through it as a result of maturation, therapy and medication, I believe. I&#039;m also an excellent mother (so my psychiatrist says): BTW - I think so too. :) 

So how is someone like myself categorized?  As &quot;once a borderline, always a borderline&quot;, a recovered borderline who still has PTSD issues, or a highly functioning borderline?  I seem to be in the nowhere zone.  Borderlines are depicted by the research community as such &quot;evil&quot; individuals - why would anyone want to own up to that label?  I certainly don&#039;t - but I can see the childhood connection.  

My point is: I believe the clinical/research is wrong to assume that all borderlines are alike - that even if they go through DBT, they will always be borderline.  While they may continue having psychological &quot;issues&quot;, it might not, in fact, manifest in negative, destructive behavior or have a major impact throughout their lives.  I guess, I&#039;m saying, is there is hope.  Those who can work through these issues, I believe, may turn out more resilient and healthier than most anyone else that does not have a mental disorder.  Most people are not self reflective - instead go through life without really looking at who they are and examining their own issues.  Borderlines do not have this luxury if they want to work through borderline issues.  I takes a lot of work.  So those researchers/clinicians who do not recognize this as a possibilty, do a disservice.  

Also: something that was not mentioned in the article - medication can make a HUGE difference (especially in managing anger).  So should we presume that someone on meds, whose mood swings and depression have stabilized is really lumped in a category with borderlines in general?  The DSM IV criteria, no longer necessarily applies if borderline behavior is no longer exhibited - no self harm, no suicidal gestures.  Medication is the number one thing that turned my life around.  Lithium is GOD - I would never trade that for DBT - which never worked for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate your article.  As a person who suffers from a &#8220;non specified mood disorder&#8221; as a result of being raised (and/or inherited) some condition from my borderline mother, I take issue with the idea that highly functioning borderlines don&#8217;t exist.  If you were raised by a violent, sadistic borderline, it&#8217;s hard not to have acquired borderline or naricissitic traits.  I have done therapy and seen a psychiatrist for several years (been on meds) which has greatly helped me deal with PTSD (stress), relationships and other childhood issues. There have been questions regarding whether I&#8217;m a borderline by health care professionals, but the label doesn&#8217;t stick &#8211; not suicidal, do not rage, can maintain long term relationships, no impulsive behavior, abandonment not really an issue (although I feel alone most of the time).  I was very angry and did rage quite a bit in my twenties (anger was directed towards my mother for not being there) &#8211; this was borderline behavior, I believe.  However, I worked through it as a result of maturation, therapy and medication, I believe. I&#8217;m also an excellent mother (so my psychiatrist says): BTW &#8211; I think so too. <img src='http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>So how is someone like myself categorized?  As &#8220;once a borderline, always a borderline&#8221;, a recovered borderline who still has PTSD issues, or a highly functioning borderline?  I seem to be in the nowhere zone.  Borderlines are depicted by the research community as such &#8220;evil&#8221; individuals &#8211; why would anyone want to own up to that label?  I certainly don&#8217;t &#8211; but I can see the childhood connection.  </p>
<p>My point is: I believe the clinical/research is wrong to assume that all borderlines are alike &#8211; that even if they go through DBT, they will always be borderline.  While they may continue having psychological &#8220;issues&#8221;, it might not, in fact, manifest in negative, destructive behavior or have a major impact throughout their lives.  I guess, I&#8217;m saying, is there is hope.  Those who can work through these issues, I believe, may turn out more resilient and healthier than most anyone else that does not have a mental disorder.  Most people are not self reflective &#8211; instead go through life without really looking at who they are and examining their own issues.  Borderlines do not have this luxury if they want to work through borderline issues.  I takes a lot of work.  So those researchers/clinicians who do not recognize this as a possibilty, do a disservice.  </p>
<p>Also: something that was not mentioned in the article &#8211; medication can make a HUGE difference (especially in managing anger).  So should we presume that someone on meds, whose mood swings and depression have stabilized is really lumped in a category with borderlines in general?  The DSM IV criteria, no longer necessarily applies if borderline behavior is no longer exhibited &#8211; no self harm, no suicidal gestures.  Medication is the number one thing that turned my life around.  Lithium is GOD &#8211; I would never trade that for DBT &#8211; which never worked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 03:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, unbelievably miserable, because it is unbelievably difficult.  Just getting a very successful, articulate, and well read, high functioning BPD to admit there is a problem, is a problem.  They are so validated by their achievements, they simply can&#039;t believe that a mind like theirs could be ill.

And yet, a peaceful, quiet mind would be the barometer.
 
There are very effective ways to approach the HF BPD, but you have to bring your A game.  They can charm most therapists and then run rings around them, being the entertainment for an hour; with no further therapy indicated.  That is, unless the right questions are asked, cutting through the very well rehearsed persona.

Even a slight admission is quickly hidden, so, anyone who can play a role must be way out in front of the strategies.  Which is why so little is known about the HF BPD animal, hiding in the plain sight of their success.

I feel bad for your son and his wife, I hope they will both get the help they need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, unbelievably miserable, because it is unbelievably difficult.  Just getting a very successful, articulate, and well read, high functioning BPD to admit there is a problem, is a problem.  They are so validated by their achievements, they simply can&#8217;t believe that a mind like theirs could be ill.</p>
<p>And yet, a peaceful, quiet mind would be the barometer.</p>
<p>There are very effective ways to approach the HF BPD, but you have to bring your A game.  They can charm most therapists and then run rings around them, being the entertainment for an hour; with no further therapy indicated.  That is, unless the right questions are asked, cutting through the very well rehearsed persona.</p>
<p>Even a slight admission is quickly hidden, so, anyone who can play a role must be way out in front of the strategies.  Which is why so little is known about the HF BPD animal, hiding in the plain sight of their success.</p>
<p>I feel bad for your son and his wife, I hope they will both get the help they need.</p>
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		<title>By: V buckner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that the hight functioning BPD is the one who is better at hiding their disease.   They are able to hold down jobs, for 20 years, no attempt to commit suicide, (which would get them into therapy big time).  Beging able to hide their disease and put on a normal act, keeps them from being detected, enables them to do irrepairable damage to whole families and makes you feel like you are the crazy one.   So, I believe there is definitely a difference between low functionting (those who try suicide) and high functioning (those who would never, ever attempt suicide....they care too much about themselves to do that.)  I know from experiance being a mother with a son married to a BPD and son brainwashed into believing dil is always right.  It&#039;s an unbelievable miserable, horrific possition to be in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that the hight functioning BPD is the one who is better at hiding their disease.   They are able to hold down jobs, for 20 years, no attempt to commit suicide, (which would get them into therapy big time).  Beging able to hide their disease and put on a normal act, keeps them from being detected, enables them to do irrepairable damage to whole families and makes you feel like you are the crazy one.   So, I believe there is definitely a difference between low functionting (those who try suicide) and high functioning (those who would never, ever attempt suicide&#8230;.they care too much about themselves to do that.)  I know from experiance being a mother with a son married to a BPD and son brainwashed into believing dil is always right.  It&#8217;s an unbelievable miserable, horrific possition to be in.</p>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Yvonne Van Damme, Bon Dobbs. Bon Dobbs said: A comment response worth reading. High Functioning BPD? &quot;It depends&quot;. http://bit.ly/aivTS5 #BPD #borderline [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Yvonne Van Damme, Bon Dobbs. Bon Dobbs said: A comment response worth reading. High Functioning BPD? &quot;It depends&quot;. <a href="http://bit.ly/aivTS5" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/aivTS5</a> #BPD #borderline [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-5499</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be helpful if you read my update to this post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd&lt;/a&gt; which deals with mentalization and attachment and how it plays into high/low functioning. Also, this comment response to Randi Kreger regarding the functioning levels of people with BPD. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-1/#comment-2930&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-1/#comment-2930&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be helpful if you read my update to this post: <a href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/mentalization-high-functioning-bpd</a> which deals with mentalization and attachment and how it plays into high/low functioning. Also, this comment response to Randi Kreger regarding the functioning levels of people with BPD. <a href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-1/#comment-2930" rel="nofollow">http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-1/#comment-2930</a></p>
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		<title>By: begjop</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THanks for the article. Personally, I take issue with your suggestion that there is no such thing as a &quot;high functioning&quot; borderline. WHile you make some excellent points about BPD (and NPD, etc), I get the idea that your definition of &quot;high functioning&quot; is different than what I have learned. By labeling my wife as a high functioning BPD, I am only giving an indication of the degree of her BPD, which DOES mean a lack of some of the more extreme behaviors which you mention. Your suggestion that the HFBPD is more likely NPD or something is ridiculous when I apply this concept to my wife. Borderline is borderline, no doubt. But this is like saying the color RED is RED....but there may well be different shades of red that don&#039;t preclude the bottom line: IT&#039;S STILL RED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THanks for the article. Personally, I take issue with your suggestion that there is no such thing as a &#8220;high functioning&#8221; borderline. WHile you make some excellent points about BPD (and NPD, etc), I get the idea that your definition of &#8220;high functioning&#8221; is different than what I have learned. By labeling my wife as a high functioning BPD, I am only giving an indication of the degree of her BPD, which DOES mean a lack of some of the more extreme behaviors which you mention. Your suggestion that the HFBPD is more likely NPD or something is ridiculous when I apply this concept to my wife. Borderline is borderline, no doubt. But this is like saying the color RED is RED&#8230;.but there may well be different shades of red that don&#8217;t preclude the bottom line: IT&#8217;S STILL RED!</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara,

Sometimes it is very helpful for others to be fully aware of a possible diagnosis because many Borderlines, especially those with higher IQs, will have to be convinced.  As I&#039;ve written before, high IQ BPDs can run circles around most therapists, which of course gets them nowhere but still defended.  

Usually, it isn&#039;t until life comes apart through loss, sickness, injury, or enough years of misery,  when the narcissistic walls tumble and we become open to different ideas...... and eventually, different neural pathways.  But, we must learn what that looks like, and how to get there, from others who have walked the walk.  Only another borderline can know what its like.

Try to find a good therapist who has dealt with other BPDs, who is committed to more that just coping mechanisms.  Coming out of the cloud of disorder is decidedly uncomfortable at best, terrifying at worst, but doable.  You have the vocabulary from your MA in Psych, you need someone to teach you how to use in when observing your own thought processes, and apply what you know, to discover alternatives.  It is you that must want to be different, and you that must do the work; but the right help and support system is what makes the journey possible.  

It took a friend of mine who is a lawyer for a major corporation, who also has a MA in Psych, about 6 months of intense awareness, a lot of rage, and more observation to begin to see her thoughts, and understand the nature of her transferences, in real time.  She can now make decisions about what she thinks, says, and acts, based on what she knows about what she feels, and is not imprisoned by dyfunctional emotions.

It will be a while before therapists really know what is going on, so hopefully you have one who is both empathetic with your true self, and tough on what is disordered.  After you know what you are looking for through education, awareness, discipline and determination will take you there.

Markos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara,</p>
<p>Sometimes it is very helpful for others to be fully aware of a possible diagnosis because many Borderlines, especially those with higher IQs, will have to be convinced.  As I&#8217;ve written before, high IQ BPDs can run circles around most therapists, which of course gets them nowhere but still defended.  </p>
<p>Usually, it isn&#8217;t until life comes apart through loss, sickness, injury, or enough years of misery,  when the narcissistic walls tumble and we become open to different ideas&#8230;&#8230; and eventually, different neural pathways.  But, we must learn what that looks like, and how to get there, from others who have walked the walk.  Only another borderline can know what its like.</p>
<p>Try to find a good therapist who has dealt with other BPDs, who is committed to more that just coping mechanisms.  Coming out of the cloud of disorder is decidedly uncomfortable at best, terrifying at worst, but doable.  You have the vocabulary from your MA in Psych, you need someone to teach you how to use in when observing your own thought processes, and apply what you know, to discover alternatives.  It is you that must want to be different, and you that must do the work; but the right help and support system is what makes the journey possible.  </p>
<p>It took a friend of mine who is a lawyer for a major corporation, who also has a MA in Psych, about 6 months of intense awareness, a lot of rage, and more observation to begin to see her thoughts, and understand the nature of her transferences, in real time.  She can now make decisions about what she thinks, says, and acts, based on what she knows about what she feels, and is not imprisoned by dyfunctional emotions.</p>
<p>It will be a while before therapists really know what is going on, so hopefully you have one who is both empathetic with your true self, and tough on what is disordered.  After you know what you are looking for through education, awareness, discipline and determination will take you there.</p>
<p>Markos</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-4248</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara, 

Your case helps illustrate my point of functioning. It has nothing to do with IQ. It has to do with what&#039;s at stake emotionally in regards to attachment. Breaking down at home and functioning at work is normal if you have emotional regulation issues. If you read my update to this post (referenced at the top of the message) you will see what I am expressing here. My problem is that many books and Internet sites cling to the &quot;high&quot; vs &quot;low functioning&quot; BPD concept, when, in reality, what you describe is normal. Only a therapist can help, yes, however, family members can be helpful too if they truly understand the disorder and have proper communication skills.

Bon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara, </p>
<p>Your case helps illustrate my point of functioning. It has nothing to do with IQ. It has to do with what&#8217;s at stake emotionally in regards to attachment. Breaking down at home and functioning at work is normal if you have emotional regulation issues. If you read my update to this post (referenced at the top of the message) you will see what I am expressing here. My problem is that many books and Internet sites cling to the &#8220;high&#8221; vs &#8220;low functioning&#8221; BPD concept, when, in reality, what you describe is normal. Only a therapist can help, yes, however, family members can be helpful too if they truly understand the disorder and have proper communication skills.</p>
<p>Bon</p>
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		<title>By: barbara mercer</title>
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		<dc:creator>barbara mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having BPD is difficult enough without online information that is not accurate floating around.  Bottom line is that only a therapist can help.  Why should anybody try to &quot;diagnose&quot; someone else anyway? 
High functioning vs. low functiong? I can appear fully capable in public, it&#039;s at home I break down...textbook.  IQ has nothing to do with mental illness either...mine is over 140...I still have emotional problems and a MA in psychology.  I hope my struggle with BPD will give me a unique empathy for others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having BPD is difficult enough without online information that is not accurate floating around.  Bottom line is that only a therapist can help.  Why should anybody try to &#8220;diagnose&#8221; someone else anyway?<br />
High functioning vs. low functiong? I can appear fully capable in public, it&#8217;s at home I break down&#8230;textbook.  IQ has nothing to do with mental illness either&#8230;mine is over 140&#8230;I still have emotional problems and a MA in psychology.  I hope my struggle with BPD will give me a unique empathy for others.</p>
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		<title>By: Is &#8220;High Functioning&#8221; A Load Of Nonsense? &#171; VOLTE_face Magazine Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is &#8220;High Functioning&#8221; A Load Of Nonsense? &#171; VOLTE_face Magazine Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marykay</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My doctor just shoved the high functioning borderline personality jazz at me. I was going to not go to him anyway. This article helped me see that I am not this, but mostly the other. There is nothing wrong with defending yourself against health care errors. You should be aggressive. You should be your own best advocate. Its really nice to push this off on people when you hate them and are scared because they went to law school and you don&#039;t do your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My doctor just shoved the high functioning borderline personality jazz at me. I was going to not go to him anyway. This article helped me see that I am not this, but mostly the other. There is nothing wrong with defending yourself against health care errors. You should be aggressive. You should be your own best advocate. Its really nice to push this off on people when you hate them and are scared because they went to law school and you don&#8217;t do your job.</p>
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		<title>By: Queenbee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queenbee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2010 15:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

What I couldn&#039;t understand is that I have read in various places on the internet that BPD can be co-morbid ie it can exist with other personality disorders and in particular NPD, within a person.

I thought this was a common, well known and researched &#039;fact&#039;? Even A J Mahari talks about the narcissistic element in the bpd, in her writings.

Hence, it was of no suprise to me that many women said that their bpd partners showed a lot of the NPD characteristics.

I went out with a guy who ticked every box you could tick for the characteristics of bpd. EVERY box! He seemed to be the poster boy for bpd. However, he also &#039;fluctuated&#039; from being very unsure and needy to deluding himself he was the best, the brightest, no-one knew like him, his girlfriend was better looking than the girlfriends of his friends, etc..... and having a delusional and disconnected &#039;arrogance&#039; about him. He was held hostage by his &#039;ego&#039; in many ways. 

His &#039;needs&#039; and what he wanted/feared totally outweighed and blocked out any possibiblity of any &#039;real&#039; giving to another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>What I couldn&#8217;t understand is that I have read in various places on the internet that BPD can be co-morbid ie it can exist with other personality disorders and in particular NPD, within a person.</p>
<p>I thought this was a common, well known and researched &#8216;fact&#8217;? Even A J Mahari talks about the narcissistic element in the bpd, in her writings.</p>
<p>Hence, it was of no suprise to me that many women said that their bpd partners showed a lot of the NPD characteristics.</p>
<p>I went out with a guy who ticked every box you could tick for the characteristics of bpd. EVERY box! He seemed to be the poster boy for bpd. However, he also &#8216;fluctuated&#8217; from being very unsure and needy to deluding himself he was the best, the brightest, no-one knew like him, his girlfriend was better looking than the girlfriends of his friends, etc&#8230;.. and having a delusional and disconnected &#8216;arrogance&#8217; about him. He was held hostage by his &#8216;ego&#8217; in many ways. </p>
<p>His &#8216;needs&#8217; and what he wanted/feared totally outweighed and blocked out any possibiblity of any &#8216;real&#8217; giving to another.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IQ is not the measure of functioning, it simply determines how many options a BPD can come up with; which does determine functionality.   In a way it is unfortunate, because the disorder can be hidden behind a very functional appearance, quite possibly for an entire life.

When treatment is applied and successful to whatever degree, the brain activity is no longer &#039;wasted&#039; in addressing mid brain fear and consequent confusion, which allows for greater neuro transmission in the frontal cortex, where IQ can actually be utilized.

The highest functioning can create their own safe zone of support  which serves the same purpose, when vulnerability is controlled.  It is sad, as most believe their cleaver manipulation is what life is about.

I spoke this afternoon a consequence of just such a situation. The 15 year old daughter of a very high BPD mother, who is a partner in a law firm, said it is her job to nurture her mother. Which is exactly why her mother wanted custody.  The sole purpose, of course, was to ally the mother&#039;s fear of being alone, and control a source of nurturing.  The high functioning BPD will always find a way to meet their needs without addressing the real problem.  And usually at the cost of anyone else&#039;s emotional needs.  The daughter&#039;s life is a mess.  At least she now knows why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IQ is not the measure of functioning, it simply determines how many options a BPD can come up with; which does determine functionality.   In a way it is unfortunate, because the disorder can be hidden behind a very functional appearance, quite possibly for an entire life.</p>
<p>When treatment is applied and successful to whatever degree, the brain activity is no longer &#8216;wasted&#8217; in addressing mid brain fear and consequent confusion, which allows for greater neuro transmission in the frontal cortex, where IQ can actually be utilized.</p>
<p>The highest functioning can create their own safe zone of support  which serves the same purpose, when vulnerability is controlled.  It is sad, as most believe their cleaver manipulation is what life is about.</p>
<p>I spoke this afternoon a consequence of just such a situation. The 15 year old daughter of a very high BPD mother, who is a partner in a law firm, said it is her job to nurture her mother. Which is exactly why her mother wanted custody.  The sole purpose, of course, was to ally the mother&#8217;s fear of being alone, and control a source of nurturing.  The high functioning BPD will always find a way to meet their needs without addressing the real problem.  And usually at the cost of anyone else&#8217;s emotional needs.  The daughter&#8217;s life is a mess.  At least she now knows why.</p>
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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 19:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure IQ is the correct measure of functioning level. I think it is the ability to handle one&#039;s emotions. My daughter&#039;s IQ scores went up about 30% after treatment. The only thing that really changed in her was her anxiety levels have decreased and she can better handle her emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure IQ is the correct measure of functioning level. I think it is the ability to handle one&#8217;s emotions. My daughter&#8217;s IQ scores went up about 30% after treatment. The only thing that really changed in her was her anxiety levels have decreased and she can better handle her emotions.</p>
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		<title>By: Markos</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-3844</link>
		<dc:creator>Markos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 03:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as BPD is defined by its pervasiveness, so too is recovery from the disorder.  A BP will appear to recover if they find themselves in a loving, non-judgmental, nurturing environment that does not challenge their vulnerability.  Place the same individual in a critical invalidating situation and the disorder will quickly emerge.

A true recovery means that new neuro pathways have opened and the brain has rewired itself to exist in any environment without dysregulated, reactive responses.

The distinction between high, mid, or low functioning is not in what the BPD does or doesn’t feel.  The feelings are all the same.  The difference is in how the BP reacts to those feelings.  The variables are many, but a hefty IQ gives the high functioning BP the ability to create believable options in a situation where a low functioning would simply melt down.  Typically, the high functioning will only be visible to a significant other, and perhaps their children, or a confidant very close to the relationship.  Everyone else will know them as Mr. or Mrs. Perfect, usually doing more than 5 nons could ever hope to accomplish, proving their self worth.

Low functioning BP’s are what the medical community is used to seeing. High’s rarely seek help and if they do, to their own demise, they run rings around all but the most astute therapists.

Very high function BPs will rarely melt down, as they are harshly self critical and very disciplined.  It is a lot of work to maintain the appearance of a perfect façade.  Some situations are harder than others, but that high IQ can usually figure out a workaround for most.

Recovery is about letting go of all of the above and living in and accepting the simplicity of reality as it actually is, dealing with it all; good, bad; or indifferent.  From such a place, digression is no longer a necessity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as BPD is defined by its pervasiveness, so too is recovery from the disorder.  A BP will appear to recover if they find themselves in a loving, non-judgmental, nurturing environment that does not challenge their vulnerability.  Place the same individual in a critical invalidating situation and the disorder will quickly emerge.</p>
<p>A true recovery means that new neuro pathways have opened and the brain has rewired itself to exist in any environment without dysregulated, reactive responses.</p>
<p>The distinction between high, mid, or low functioning is not in what the BPD does or doesn’t feel.  The feelings are all the same.  The difference is in how the BP reacts to those feelings.  The variables are many, but a hefty IQ gives the high functioning BP the ability to create believable options in a situation where a low functioning would simply melt down.  Typically, the high functioning will only be visible to a significant other, and perhaps their children, or a confidant very close to the relationship.  Everyone else will know them as Mr. or Mrs. Perfect, usually doing more than 5 nons could ever hope to accomplish, proving their self worth.</p>
<p>Low functioning BP’s are what the medical community is used to seeing. High’s rarely seek help and if they do, to their own demise, they run rings around all but the most astute therapists.</p>
<p>Very high function BPs will rarely melt down, as they are harshly self critical and very disciplined.  It is a lot of work to maintain the appearance of a perfect façade.  Some situations are harder than others, but that high IQ can usually figure out a workaround for most.</p>
<p>Recovery is about letting go of all of the above and living in and accepting the simplicity of reality as it actually is, dealing with it all; good, bad; or indifferent.  From such a place, digression is no longer a necessity.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-3841</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 00:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood the point of this article and felt that I should point out that the article is not debating whether &quot;high-functioning&quot; BPD is really NPD or even if you can characterize a person as high-functioning or low functioning generally. Obviously people see the differences enough in their partners and spouses that they see how they normally act. The important thing to remember though is that there are so many ups and downs, &quot;recoveries&quot; and &quot;digressions&quot; associated with BPD that my opinion on the matter, and what I feel is trying to be states in this article, is that the borderline sufferer has the capability in his/her lifetime to be both high and low functioning depending on support, circumstances, and personal acknowledgment.

In other words, there is sadly nothing that does not say that a relatively &quot;high-functioning&quot; BPD sufferer may not have a day, a month, a year, where he/she breaks and becomes &quot;low-functioning&quot;. As such, I would say that this is the reason there is no official diagnostic separation of the two. In this way perhaps the true introduction should not be &quot;Hello, I am the spouse of a high-functioning BP&quot;, but instead &quot;Hello, I am the spouse of a CURRENTLY high-functioning BP&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood the point of this article and felt that I should point out that the article is not debating whether &#8220;high-functioning&#8221; BPD is really NPD or even if you can characterize a person as high-functioning or low functioning generally. Obviously people see the differences enough in their partners and spouses that they see how they normally act. The important thing to remember though is that there are so many ups and downs, &#8220;recoveries&#8221; and &#8220;digressions&#8221; associated with BPD that my opinion on the matter, and what I feel is trying to be states in this article, is that the borderline sufferer has the capability in his/her lifetime to be both high and low functioning depending on support, circumstances, and personal acknowledgment.</p>
<p>In other words, there is sadly nothing that does not say that a relatively &#8220;high-functioning&#8221; BPD sufferer may not have a day, a month, a year, where he/she breaks and becomes &#8220;low-functioning&#8221;. As such, I would say that this is the reason there is no official diagnostic separation of the two. In this way perhaps the true introduction should not be &#8220;Hello, I am the spouse of a high-functioning BP&#8221;, but instead &#8220;Hello, I am the spouse of a CURRENTLY high-functioning BP&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaire Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-3774</link>
		<dc:creator>Blaire Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

My ex husband tried to convince me I have / had BPD. When we were married, I suspected that he wasn&#039;t always telling the truth and in fact caught him lying many times. We had many intense fights (BPD characteristic no. 6?) and when we weren&#039;t fighting, there were times when I felt anxious and needed to be assured that he loved me, there were no others, that he wasn&#039;t lying to me and that I was the love of his life (BPD characteristic no. 1?). There were times when we were happy and &quot;in love&quot;, I felt lucky and thought he was wonderful and other times when I had these dark moods, when I was sure that something was not right and we fight (BPD characterisctic 2 - &quot;splitting&quot;?). I should also mention that many times, he started the fights unprovoked by me - he had a bad temper and I was often &quot;walking on eggshells&quot; myself.

However, for the reasons I mentioned, he &quot;diagnosed&quot; me as a BPD. I guess he would call it a high-functioning BPD because it did not affect my work or any other relationship, either with family, friends or colleagues. In fact I function very well at work and have a demanding and high-flying career.

The fact is, I found out a couple of years into our marriage that he had been married before me and still was, i.e. he was committing bigamy and leading a double life. He was also stealing money from me to support his wife (he was unemployed for years). I had no idea he had even been married before.

Now he is facing the possibility of being convicted and sentenced to prison according to the laws of my country, and he will probably use my &quot;BPD&quot; as his defense reason. I think he would argue that he was not functioning well mentally because of my disorder and hence was not able to do the right thing.

I read your article with interest because I don&#039;t have any of the characteristics of NPD and I don&#039;t have any of the other characteristics of BPD that you&#039;ve listed. I have also not had any of the issues I&#039;ve had in the relationship with my ex with anyone else. I am currently in a new relationship which has lasted for 2 years (we are now married) and we have had no issues at all. No fights, no fear of abandonment, no unstable moods, no anxiety, no &quot;splitting&quot;, etc. Is BPD something that can come and go depending on whom I am with?

Thanks - any further insight I could get on this would be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>My ex husband tried to convince me I have / had BPD. When we were married, I suspected that he wasn&#8217;t always telling the truth and in fact caught him lying many times. We had many intense fights (BPD characteristic no. 6?) and when we weren&#8217;t fighting, there were times when I felt anxious and needed to be assured that he loved me, there were no others, that he wasn&#8217;t lying to me and that I was the love of his life (BPD characteristic no. 1?). There were times when we were happy and &#8220;in love&#8221;, I felt lucky and thought he was wonderful and other times when I had these dark moods, when I was sure that something was not right and we fight (BPD characterisctic 2 &#8211; &#8220;splitting&#8221;?). I should also mention that many times, he started the fights unprovoked by me &#8211; he had a bad temper and I was often &#8220;walking on eggshells&#8221; myself.</p>
<p>However, for the reasons I mentioned, he &#8220;diagnosed&#8221; me as a BPD. I guess he would call it a high-functioning BPD because it did not affect my work or any other relationship, either with family, friends or colleagues. In fact I function very well at work and have a demanding and high-flying career.</p>
<p>The fact is, I found out a couple of years into our marriage that he had been married before me and still was, i.e. he was committing bigamy and leading a double life. He was also stealing money from me to support his wife (he was unemployed for years). I had no idea he had even been married before.</p>
<p>Now he is facing the possibility of being convicted and sentenced to prison according to the laws of my country, and he will probably use my &#8220;BPD&#8221; as his defense reason. I think he would argue that he was not functioning well mentally because of my disorder and hence was not able to do the right thing.</p>
<p>I read your article with interest because I don&#8217;t have any of the characteristics of NPD and I don&#8217;t have any of the other characteristics of BPD that you&#8217;ve listed. I have also not had any of the issues I&#8217;ve had in the relationship with my ex with anyone else. I am currently in a new relationship which has lasted for 2 years (we are now married) and we have had no issues at all. No fights, no fear of abandonment, no unstable moods, no anxiety, no &#8220;splitting&#8221;, etc. Is BPD something that can come and go depending on whom I am with?</p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; any further insight I could get on this would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer J.</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/myth-high-functioning-borderline/comment-page-2/#comment-3763</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE HELP!!!!

I am having real issues with my roommate, who I am desperately trying to be kind to and understand, but who is exhibiting ALL of the behaviors of NPD. It is very hard to deal with her and because of her symptoms she displays, she keeps people at bay, and so I am the only one around at the end of the day to pick up the pieces. She is constantly needing praise, is arrogant, haughty, has an ideal of what love is and should be, is a binge eater and is morbidly obese, and she honestly displays everything mentioned above according to the NPD symptoms. She has told me in the past that when she is upset or annoyed with someone, she will hold it in for months, perhaps years, and then finally lash out with unbridled fury toward people. This concerns me very much as I would be completely unaware of her true feelings toward me and I fear she could lash out at me if I were to annoy or bother her over the course of a few months/years. She lives two states away from her immediate family and has no connection to them except for by phone, etc. 

Of course, I cannot ever be certain if she is actually NPD because she is only my roommate and it was suggested that it wouldn&#039;t be wise to alert someone of this kind of disorder, but how would I handle this situation sensitively? Should I ask her to move out and suggest she seek help? Her personality is so abrasive, but in a passive way for the most part. She doesn&#039;t understand social cues, non-verbal communication, etc. I am a teacher of students with disabilities and also work closely with those who are high functioning autistic, so I have some background in identifying those with high functioning autism, but I believe she is more borderline autistic and more NPD. She is truly pushing me away, but I feel a great deal of guilt and sadness when I think of asking her to move out. Will she lash out at me? Will she become suicidal? She really doesn&#039;t have anyone to help her, except uncles or aunts and I know, for a fact, that she drives them all crazy. I am a very religious person and feel I can do her a service, but how? Should I talk to my pastor/minister and seek advice? 

I have really been trying to pin down why my roommate is so &quot;different&quot; from other people, did some more digging past just &quot;high functioning autism&quot; and found this sight. I am at my wit&#039;s end. Can someone please give me some frank, constructive advice? Should I ask her to move out before I say things I will regret that may harm her rather than do her good? HELP!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE HELP!!!!</p>
<p>I am having real issues with my roommate, who I am desperately trying to be kind to and understand, but who is exhibiting ALL of the behaviors of NPD. It is very hard to deal with her and because of her symptoms she displays, she keeps people at bay, and so I am the only one around at the end of the day to pick up the pieces. She is constantly needing praise, is arrogant, haughty, has an ideal of what love is and should be, is a binge eater and is morbidly obese, and she honestly displays everything mentioned above according to the NPD symptoms. She has told me in the past that when she is upset or annoyed with someone, she will hold it in for months, perhaps years, and then finally lash out with unbridled fury toward people. This concerns me very much as I would be completely unaware of her true feelings toward me and I fear she could lash out at me if I were to annoy or bother her over the course of a few months/years. She lives two states away from her immediate family and has no connection to them except for by phone, etc. </p>
<p>Of course, I cannot ever be certain if she is actually NPD because she is only my roommate and it was suggested that it wouldn&#8217;t be wise to alert someone of this kind of disorder, but how would I handle this situation sensitively? Should I ask her to move out and suggest she seek help? Her personality is so abrasive, but in a passive way for the most part. She doesn&#8217;t understand social cues, non-verbal communication, etc. I am a teacher of students with disabilities and also work closely with those who are high functioning autistic, so I have some background in identifying those with high functioning autism, but I believe she is more borderline autistic and more NPD. She is truly pushing me away, but I feel a great deal of guilt and sadness when I think of asking her to move out. Will she lash out at me? Will she become suicidal? She really doesn&#8217;t have anyone to help her, except uncles or aunts and I know, for a fact, that she drives them all crazy. I am a very religious person and feel I can do her a service, but how? Should I talk to my pastor/minister and seek advice? </p>
<p>I have really been trying to pin down why my roommate is so &#8220;different&#8221; from other people, did some more digging past just &#8220;high functioning autism&#8221; and found this sight. I am at my wit&#8217;s end. Can someone please give me some frank, constructive advice? Should I ask her to move out before I say things I will regret that may harm her rather than do her good? HELP!!!!!</p>
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