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		<title>By: Bon Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/demonic-possession-borderline-personality-disorder/comment-page-1/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read &quot;Stop Walking on Eggshells&quot; and rest well. Victim and Perpetrator just lock you into an ineffective dynamic. My readers have reported that the first thing that stops with the application of the skills I teach is RAGE. You have a view through which you see the world. Yet, what if there is another approach? Enjoy SWOE and you know what? It doesn&#039;t work. It isn&#039;t effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221; and rest well. Victim and Perpetrator just lock you into an ineffective dynamic. My readers have reported that the first thing that stops with the application of the skills I teach is RAGE. You have a view through which you see the world. Yet, what if there is another approach? Enjoy SWOE and you know what? It doesn&#8217;t work. It isn&#8217;t effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Liatris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liatris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VICTIM OR PERPETRATOR ?!  What most Borderlines just do not see: I understand that if you feel really bad and out of control, that it is hard. But what about a non who is being terrorized constantly by a bpd spouse --- I have no way to support myself (due to serious illness) so I cannot escape. So if he rages and threatens and does all sorts of extremely negative affirmations about how I will never get well (he sabotages my efforts to get well) - and keeps me from sleeping so that I get sicker --- is THAT the poor borderline that I should have endless compassion for?  It is ALL about him. He rants that I will be doomed and I cannot sleep --- what does he do?  He goes to sleep -- no conscience, no problem. So much for the poor borderline that is suffering. How much hell and damage do you think a non should put up with?  No matter how much damage they inflict, they do not see or feel it at all!!  It is ALL about them. Does he stop and think, gosh she just told me she cannot sleep as a result of my casting all this negativity and evil spells around and it is making her even more ill --- gee, maybe I should consider attempting to make some changes. Nope, he does not care. I could be up all night for weeks on end, burning out --- he has seen the permanent damage that has occurred as a result and it simply does not matter!  He is not the poor person here, I am. He sleeps like a baby while I am in sheer agony.  How is that the &quot;poor&quot; borderline?  

I saw a post where a borderline said that nons should not &quot;harp&quot; on the bpd during a holiday because these fun times are an escape for the bpd. What on earth does &quot;harp&quot; been to a borderline? If you bring down unspeakable hell on me, and then get all indignent about me pleading with you to stop, is that offending you ?  Is that harping on you?  This constant thing of playing the victim so that they do not have to think of themselves as the perpetrator, is ludicrous. Hello? His thinking is -- how can I be the perpetrator if I am the victim?  Black and white thinking at its most pathetic. Problem is --- I do not fall for it. If he acts like the angry victim, does he really think that I will forget that he was just the perpetrator and say, &quot;Oh, so sorry --- I must have mistaken you for someone else --- please accept my deepest apology.&quot;  

He will spin and weave any story that he likes and then believe it (sort of) and try to pass if off as real. Then when you point out that he attacked and was not attacked, he will either rage or walk away as if he heard nothing at all and just happily go watch a movie, take a nap or whatever.  

Constant, relentless extremely damaging attacks and evil-wishing and cruelty and then feeling no remorse is not what I think of as a victim. Sure, a victim of being a perpetrator. He is causing so much more suffering than he is experiencing and I am not causing any of his misery --- so even if he is suffering from being bpd, how does that make it my job to forever understand him and be nice --- this is what boderlines expect from nons. If you are dependant upon them in such a way that you cannot leave, there are no boundaries for them, no consequences and they will eat you alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VICTIM OR PERPETRATOR ?!  What most Borderlines just do not see: I understand that if you feel really bad and out of control, that it is hard. But what about a non who is being terrorized constantly by a bpd spouse &#8212; I have no way to support myself (due to serious illness) so I cannot escape. So if he rages and threatens and does all sorts of extremely negative affirmations about how I will never get well (he sabotages my efforts to get well) &#8211; and keeps me from sleeping so that I get sicker &#8212; is THAT the poor borderline that I should have endless compassion for?  It is ALL about him. He rants that I will be doomed and I cannot sleep &#8212; what does he do?  He goes to sleep &#8212; no conscience, no problem. So much for the poor borderline that is suffering. How much hell and damage do you think a non should put up with?  No matter how much damage they inflict, they do not see or feel it at all!!  It is ALL about them. Does he stop and think, gosh she just told me she cannot sleep as a result of my casting all this negativity and evil spells around and it is making her even more ill &#8212; gee, maybe I should consider attempting to make some changes. Nope, he does not care. I could be up all night for weeks on end, burning out &#8212; he has seen the permanent damage that has occurred as a result and it simply does not matter!  He is not the poor person here, I am. He sleeps like a baby while I am in sheer agony.  How is that the &#8220;poor&#8221; borderline?  </p>
<p>I saw a post where a borderline said that nons should not &#8220;harp&#8221; on the bpd during a holiday because these fun times are an escape for the bpd. What on earth does &#8220;harp&#8221; been to a borderline? If you bring down unspeakable hell on me, and then get all indignent about me pleading with you to stop, is that offending you ?  Is that harping on you?  This constant thing of playing the victim so that they do not have to think of themselves as the perpetrator, is ludicrous. Hello? His thinking is &#8212; how can I be the perpetrator if I am the victim?  Black and white thinking at its most pathetic. Problem is &#8212; I do not fall for it. If he acts like the angry victim, does he really think that I will forget that he was just the perpetrator and say, &#8220;Oh, so sorry &#8212; I must have mistaken you for someone else &#8212; please accept my deepest apology.&#8221;  </p>
<p>He will spin and weave any story that he likes and then believe it (sort of) and try to pass if off as real. Then when you point out that he attacked and was not attacked, he will either rage or walk away as if he heard nothing at all and just happily go watch a movie, take a nap or whatever.  </p>
<p>Constant, relentless extremely damaging attacks and evil-wishing and cruelty and then feeling no remorse is not what I think of as a victim. Sure, a victim of being a perpetrator. He is causing so much more suffering than he is experiencing and I am not causing any of his misery &#8212; so even if he is suffering from being bpd, how does that make it my job to forever understand him and be nice &#8212; this is what boderlines expect from nons. If you are dependant upon them in such a way that you cannot leave, there are no boundaries for them, no consequences and they will eat you alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 05:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Fine. She&#039;s obviously somewhat ignorant of the medical profession on various levels, but so are many in the medical profession ignorant of the truth that surrounds them on all sides. Spirits are real. We were created as vessels of clay. Spirits thus are able to inhabit us. Evil spirits inhabit us rather than God at times because original sin allows it to happen. That was why Jesus had to die for us, so that we may be free from every sin and every demon. Oh yeah everlasting life is included. Any of you reading this, I ask you, have you ever had any thought what so ever that you felt was not your own? Ever have a habit you couldn&#039;t rid yourself of? Ever find people treating you in the same bad way no matter where you go? Can you relate such things to science? Ever try sincerely praying to God and have every curse word imaginable come to your mind? If you like science try scientific observation and see for yourself. Now I do believe that science itself came into existence in order that we may know the truth and science has done a very good job. Many Christians now realize the sun does not revolve around the earth. Yes they fought it tooth and nail and killed some who disagreed, but be careful not to be as ignorant as they were. I&#039;m not exactly concerned about your eternal soul, but like scientists who wanted the church to wake up I am now waiting for the scientists to wake up and realize life does not revolve around their limited knowledge and wisdom. Also all because you can not see, hear, or detect something does not mean it does not exist. If it were so I wonder how long it took for the electron to come into existence long after matter was already formed. Then again do we really know it exists?

Nuff Said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Fine. She&#8217;s obviously somewhat ignorant of the medical profession on various levels, but so are many in the medical profession ignorant of the truth that surrounds them on all sides. Spirits are real. We were created as vessels of clay. Spirits thus are able to inhabit us. Evil spirits inhabit us rather than God at times because original sin allows it to happen. That was why Jesus had to die for us, so that we may be free from every sin and every demon. Oh yeah everlasting life is included. Any of you reading this, I ask you, have you ever had any thought what so ever that you felt was not your own? Ever have a habit you couldn&#8217;t rid yourself of? Ever find people treating you in the same bad way no matter where you go? Can you relate such things to science? Ever try sincerely praying to God and have every curse word imaginable come to your mind? If you like science try scientific observation and see for yourself. Now I do believe that science itself came into existence in order that we may know the truth and science has done a very good job. Many Christians now realize the sun does not revolve around the earth. Yes they fought it tooth and nail and killed some who disagreed, but be careful not to be as ignorant as they were. I&#8217;m not exactly concerned about your eternal soul, but like scientists who wanted the church to wake up I am now waiting for the scientists to wake up and realize life does not revolve around their limited knowledge and wisdom. Also all because you can not see, hear, or detect something does not mean it does not exist. If it were so I wonder how long it took for the electron to come into existence long after matter was already formed. Then again do we really know it exists?</p>
<p>Nuff Said</p>
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		<title>By: Hanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear All,

As a lifelong sceptic, a trained medical doctor and lifelong atheist I used to always laugh out such allegations (demonic posession) as a primitive superstition. I was an avid supporter of Richard Dawkins&#039; reductionistic world view as expressed in books such as &quot;The God Delusion&quot; and &quot;Selfish Gene&quot;. While I still agree with some key points e.g. that evolution of the cosmos, including the living matter, did indeed happen as scientifically explained I have however developed a broader world view which includes tolerance and acceptance of spiritual and religious phenomena as another &quot;side of the coin&quot; which complements rather than denies the materialistic world view.

What brought me to this point is that science as we know it and particularly the pseudo-science of psychiatry (with their completely wrong diagnostic manuals and CBT) failed to help me in my affliction (BPD). It is as simple as that. Who heals is right.I have now entered the spiritual path of healing and I feel for the first time that there is a chance for me to turn my life around for the better and to really recover. 

I also strongly belive that psychiatrists, who deal with the most vulnerable people are a dangerous bunch with a huge potential to damage people by excessive use of hightly toxic medication. The danger comes from their solid assumption that they &quot;know better&quot; or that they know in the first place. This is both the case with unexperienced young doctors, who have no life experience, as the old ones who failed to draw correct conclusions from the life exprience they did have. 

The current paradigm of biological psychiatry, supported by pharmaceutical industry, while doing a lot of good in terms of doing basic research to observe objective evidence of biological underpinnings of mental disease, is wrong to promote a view that ALL psychiatric affliction may be treatable by means of pharmaceutical agents.

This assumption is clearly wrong because it does not work in real world.

A single case of anyone who has ever been healed by spiritual means is an evidence that the currently obligatory materialistic world view is simplistic and wrong, just like just once case of incorrect result proves that a seemingly immaculate mathematical theory is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear All,</p>
<p>As a lifelong sceptic, a trained medical doctor and lifelong atheist I used to always laugh out such allegations (demonic posession) as a primitive superstition. I was an avid supporter of Richard Dawkins&#8217; reductionistic world view as expressed in books such as &#8220;The God Delusion&#8221; and &#8220;Selfish Gene&#8221;. While I still agree with some key points e.g. that evolution of the cosmos, including the living matter, did indeed happen as scientifically explained I have however developed a broader world view which includes tolerance and acceptance of spiritual and religious phenomena as another &#8220;side of the coin&#8221; which complements rather than denies the materialistic world view.</p>
<p>What brought me to this point is that science as we know it and particularly the pseudo-science of psychiatry (with their completely wrong diagnostic manuals and CBT) failed to help me in my affliction (BPD). It is as simple as that. Who heals is right.I have now entered the spiritual path of healing and I feel for the first time that there is a chance for me to turn my life around for the better and to really recover. </p>
<p>I also strongly belive that psychiatrists, who deal with the most vulnerable people are a dangerous bunch with a huge potential to damage people by excessive use of hightly toxic medication. The danger comes from their solid assumption that they &#8220;know better&#8221; or that they know in the first place. This is both the case with unexperienced young doctors, who have no life experience, as the old ones who failed to draw correct conclusions from the life exprience they did have. </p>
<p>The current paradigm of biological psychiatry, supported by pharmaceutical industry, while doing a lot of good in terms of doing basic research to observe objective evidence of biological underpinnings of mental disease, is wrong to promote a view that ALL psychiatric affliction may be treatable by means of pharmaceutical agents.</p>
<p>This assumption is clearly wrong because it does not work in real world.</p>
<p>A single case of anyone who has ever been healed by spiritual means is an evidence that the currently obligatory materialistic world view is simplistic and wrong, just like just once case of incorrect result proves that a seemingly immaculate mathematical theory is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lexie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 23:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott Peck&#039;s book People of the Lie explains demonic possession and it seems perfectly possible that those with BPD, Anti-Social Personality Disorder or Drug Addiction could be possessed demons.  Peck basically explains that evils done to people open the door and get lodged into people and exorcism is one way to release the demons.  It is worth reading this book to come to fuller understanding.  Most people with BPD had lived through trauma, tragedy or abuse and the condition is a great defense to surviving what they experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Peck&#8217;s book People of the Lie explains demonic possession and it seems perfectly possible that those with BPD, Anti-Social Personality Disorder or Drug Addiction could be possessed demons.  Peck basically explains that evils done to people open the door and get lodged into people and exorcism is one way to release the demons.  It is worth reading this book to come to fuller understanding.  Most people with BPD had lived through trauma, tragedy or abuse and the condition is a great defense to surviving what they experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: 'plexing</title>
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		<dc:creator>'plexing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, its supposed to say &quot;Its NOT about repeating religious words to invoke power, sorry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, its supposed to say &#8220;Its NOT about repeating religious words to invoke power, sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: 'plexing</title>
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		<dc:creator>'plexing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, interesting exchange.  The book described; just the bit described sounds like &quot;hack&quot; writing to me, where someone gathers just enough information to sound knowledgable and winds up discrediting stuff that has some truth and making misunderstanding even worse.  Regarding the idea of demons, I do think they exist.  They are the spiritual equivalent of rats, that is, opportunistic parasites.  Like any vermin or parasite, they are attracted to open wounds, rotten garbage, unlocked storehouses(no boundaries) and agreement with anything toxic. If a person with BPD has a demonic &quot;attachment&#039; going on, the function of the demonic is to reinforce in the person&#039;s mind, the destructive lies and toxic beliefs that keep them in that place with the intent to destroy them. (called a stronghold; a house made of thoughts that demons find convenient refuge in) Demons attach through wounds and sinful responses to wounds and the lies we come to believe as a result.  There can be two people with identical issues and one may have something demonic going on and the other not. Blanket generalizations do not help people in trouble; each case must be taken individually and with sensitivity.

 There is a difference between oppression and possession. Its about territory of one&#039;s life,  and about who is at the center of the life of the person, basically.  Oppression is when the evil persona has some ground in the person&#039;s life but the person still retains majority control.  In possession, the evil persona has gained total control.  Its important to remember that the battle with the demonic is about agreements and the battlefield is in the mind.  A believer who has surrendered their life to Christ can never be possessed fully but I believe personally they can be incapacitated to the degree that they come into agreement with an evil spiritual being via believing lies they &quot;speak&quot; or by choosing to indulge in personal evil.  

An example of a lie might be &quot; my worth is based on pleasing others&quot;  or &quot;Because I am hurt or angry, I am entitled to act this way and others are obligated to put up with it&quot;.  Jesus Christ gave believers authority in His name, over evil personalities but its about repeating religious words to invoke power.  The phrase &quot;in His name&quot; implies intimate relationship, sharing Christ&#039;s agenda and His character &quot;. Its relationship as opposed to surface religiosity.  The christian understanding of this subject includes the firm belief that there  is no neutral ground, or &quot;spectator&quot; stands.  You gotta serve somebody, as Bob Dylan said.  Serving Christ includes coming into agreement with what God says about us, about the nature of evil and of reality, etc.  

However, just as the secular world has discounted the existence of evil spiritual entities/ fallen angels,leaving people without help that goes beyond treating behavioral symptoms and creating better coping, the christian world sometimes dismisses understanding of trauma and human complexity, denying the wounded the healing and transformation they need.  Personality splitting due to trauma and shame is one such reality. God neither ignores our wounds nor minmizes our sin. I personally believe BPD and any other disorder at root to be an issue of sin and woundedness together. Becoming free is about coming into agreement with God and breaking agreements with evil and requires action and active cooperation on our part that goes life and heart deep. To say that being ill is about oppression by the devil isn&#039;t as unscientific as it may seem.  Everything we do, what we eat for instance, the kind of food we choose, how often we eat it, how we care for ourselves, is all rooted in what is at the center of our lives and what we believe.  Choices we make are rooted in things we believe.  Is it so hard a stretch to believe therefore that sickness and disease are rooted in believing demonic lies that result in destructive choices that eventually produce evil fruit?  I think some folks discount the demonic not because they don&#039;t believe it could be possible but because they see it used as a kind of magical thinking responsiblity dodge. We are always responsible - even when something bad happened to us, its still up to us what we ultimately do about it.  As someone who may have BPD (don&#039;t know yet but wondering), I am well aware of the deep well of pain and distorted reality that has ruled my world and colored my vision for so long and equally aware of the myriad ways I&#039;ve tried to outrun it with magical thinking, blame shifting, idealizing and devaluation, etc.  God sent someone into my life whose mission was to love me.  She told me later on when our relationship had matured somewhat and I was a bit more stable, that many times she was tempted to straighten me out when convoluted garbage was pouring out of my mouth for hours on end, and the Holy Spirit would say &quot; Just listen to her - no one has ever just listened to her&quot;.  Other times she would tell me truth that was hard to hear, because it confronted my victim menality with the call to move away from entitlement and self pity to responsiblity.  I could bear it because I knew that she loved me. So believe me when I say that breaking agreements is not magical thinking. There is a battle between the part of me that believed the lies of abuse, the part that is committed to trying to control the abusers and the pain, and the part that wants to be whole. The commitment to a world that revolves around self and self protection must be broken for healing to occur but this doesn&#039;t mean that we don&#039;t care appropriately for ourselves, just that our orientation to life changes radically. God is not shocked or afraid of the set of issues that goes by the label &quot;BPD&quot; even if some people are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, interesting exchange.  The book described; just the bit described sounds like &#8220;hack&#8221; writing to me, where someone gathers just enough information to sound knowledgable and winds up discrediting stuff that has some truth and making misunderstanding even worse.  Regarding the idea of demons, I do think they exist.  They are the spiritual equivalent of rats, that is, opportunistic parasites.  Like any vermin or parasite, they are attracted to open wounds, rotten garbage, unlocked storehouses(no boundaries) and agreement with anything toxic. If a person with BPD has a demonic &#8220;attachment&#8217; going on, the function of the demonic is to reinforce in the person&#8217;s mind, the destructive lies and toxic beliefs that keep them in that place with the intent to destroy them. (called a stronghold; a house made of thoughts that demons find convenient refuge in) Demons attach through wounds and sinful responses to wounds and the lies we come to believe as a result.  There can be two people with identical issues and one may have something demonic going on and the other not. Blanket generalizations do not help people in trouble; each case must be taken individually and with sensitivity.</p>
<p> There is a difference between oppression and possession. Its about territory of one&#8217;s life,  and about who is at the center of the life of the person, basically.  Oppression is when the evil persona has some ground in the person&#8217;s life but the person still retains majority control.  In possession, the evil persona has gained total control.  Its important to remember that the battle with the demonic is about agreements and the battlefield is in the mind.  A believer who has surrendered their life to Christ can never be possessed fully but I believe personally they can be incapacitated to the degree that they come into agreement with an evil spiritual being via believing lies they &#8220;speak&#8221; or by choosing to indulge in personal evil.  </p>
<p>An example of a lie might be &#8221; my worth is based on pleasing others&#8221;  or &#8220;Because I am hurt or angry, I am entitled to act this way and others are obligated to put up with it&#8221;.  Jesus Christ gave believers authority in His name, over evil personalities but its about repeating religious words to invoke power.  The phrase &#8220;in His name&#8221; implies intimate relationship, sharing Christ&#8217;s agenda and His character &#8220;. Its relationship as opposed to surface religiosity.  The christian understanding of this subject includes the firm belief that there  is no neutral ground, or &#8220;spectator&#8221; stands.  You gotta serve somebody, as Bob Dylan said.  Serving Christ includes coming into agreement with what God says about us, about the nature of evil and of reality, etc.  </p>
<p>However, just as the secular world has discounted the existence of evil spiritual entities/ fallen angels,leaving people without help that goes beyond treating behavioral symptoms and creating better coping, the christian world sometimes dismisses understanding of trauma and human complexity, denying the wounded the healing and transformation they need.  Personality splitting due to trauma and shame is one such reality. God neither ignores our wounds nor minmizes our sin. I personally believe BPD and any other disorder at root to be an issue of sin and woundedness together. Becoming free is about coming into agreement with God and breaking agreements with evil and requires action and active cooperation on our part that goes life and heart deep. To say that being ill is about oppression by the devil isn&#8217;t as unscientific as it may seem.  Everything we do, what we eat for instance, the kind of food we choose, how often we eat it, how we care for ourselves, is all rooted in what is at the center of our lives and what we believe.  Choices we make are rooted in things we believe.  Is it so hard a stretch to believe therefore that sickness and disease are rooted in believing demonic lies that result in destructive choices that eventually produce evil fruit?  I think some folks discount the demonic not because they don&#8217;t believe it could be possible but because they see it used as a kind of magical thinking responsiblity dodge. We are always responsible &#8211; even when something bad happened to us, its still up to us what we ultimately do about it.  As someone who may have BPD (don&#8217;t know yet but wondering), I am well aware of the deep well of pain and distorted reality that has ruled my world and colored my vision for so long and equally aware of the myriad ways I&#8217;ve tried to outrun it with magical thinking, blame shifting, idealizing and devaluation, etc.  God sent someone into my life whose mission was to love me.  She told me later on when our relationship had matured somewhat and I was a bit more stable, that many times she was tempted to straighten me out when convoluted garbage was pouring out of my mouth for hours on end, and the Holy Spirit would say &#8221; Just listen to her &#8211; no one has ever just listened to her&#8221;.  Other times she would tell me truth that was hard to hear, because it confronted my victim menality with the call to move away from entitlement and self pity to responsiblity.  I could bear it because I knew that she loved me. So believe me when I say that breaking agreements is not magical thinking. There is a battle between the part of me that believed the lies of abuse, the part that is committed to trying to control the abusers and the pain, and the part that wants to be whole. The commitment to a world that revolves around self and self protection must be broken for healing to occur but this doesn&#8217;t mean that we don&#8217;t care appropriately for ourselves, just that our orientation to life changes radically. God is not shocked or afraid of the set of issues that goes by the label &#8220;BPD&#8221; even if some people are.<br />
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read all the places where it has been stated &quot;You obviously don&#039;t understand BPD&quot; in context with demonic possession.   I say, you obviously don&#039;t understand demonic possession...or, rather, you don&#039;t believe in it.  Demonic possession is NOT rare.   The demonic world is very real.   There IS an entity called the devil and there are spiritual entities called demons.   Human beings are primarily spiritual and live in a physical body.   Demonic possession occurs when a person has had an event or series of events in their life which &quot;opened the door&quot; to the offending spirit.  That event could be drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, etc.   In most cases, as in examples from Scripture, the demonic possession has effects upon the mind and the body.   In Mark 9:25, for example, the spirit being exorcised is a &quot;deaf and dumb spirit&quot;.   This spirit caused a person to lose their hearing and had a speech impediment.   In today&#039;s world, that would have been the limitation of the diagnosis.   Spiritual implications wouldn&#039;t even be considered.

I notice the common thread of offense when associating BPD and other personality disorders with demonic possession.  As if this criminalizes the patient.   We are ALL sinners and in need of a Savior.   It&#039;s not an &quot;us against them&quot; issue.

Spiritual imposition results in direct and indirect effects upon the body.   The word &quot;disorder&quot; is good description of that.   God created us to be in order.   Anything that takes away or distorts that order is evil.   Does that make the person evil?  Not necessarily.   However, some I have notices relish in their condition and embrace their disorder...for whatever reason.   It becomes part of their identity and they become proud of it.   They use it to justify bad behavior and that, my friend, makes the person evil.

Unapologetically, I contend that the only answer to BPD is Jesus Christ.  His offer is to become delivered, to be set free, to be made whole.   Medicine and therapy are temporal and only suppress the condition.   Putting a bandaid on a demon will not get rid of the demon.

Everything that I wrote above can be said about a number of conditions, physical, behavioral, or emotional.   Most people will reject it because either they don&#039;t believe in the demonic realm or they don&#039;t want to deal with the &quot;sin&quot; element.   Just remember, Jesus spent a good portion of his 3 years of ministry casting out demons.

Acts 10:38
&quot;How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.&quot;

It doesn&#039;t say, &quot;healing all of the blind, deaf, or lame&quot;.   It says, &quot;healing all who were oppressed of the devil&quot;.   That&#039;s because all physical, emotional, mental, and behavioral disorder is an oppression of the devil...the more severe ones likely possession.    To possess means to have custoy of.   A person needs to have a custody change.   From the enemy...to Jesus.    He will give you rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read all the places where it has been stated &#8220;You obviously don&#8217;t understand BPD&#8221; in context with demonic possession.   I say, you obviously don&#8217;t understand demonic possession&#8230;or, rather, you don&#8217;t believe in it.  Demonic possession is NOT rare.   The demonic world is very real.   There IS an entity called the devil and there are spiritual entities called demons.   Human beings are primarily spiritual and live in a physical body.   Demonic possession occurs when a person has had an event or series of events in their life which &#8220;opened the door&#8221; to the offending spirit.  That event could be drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, etc.   In most cases, as in examples from Scripture, the demonic possession has effects upon the mind and the body.   In Mark 9:25, for example, the spirit being exorcised is a &#8220;deaf and dumb spirit&#8221;.   This spirit caused a person to lose their hearing and had a speech impediment.   In today&#8217;s world, that would have been the limitation of the diagnosis.   Spiritual implications wouldn&#8217;t even be considered.</p>
<p>I notice the common thread of offense when associating BPD and other personality disorders with demonic possession.  As if this criminalizes the patient.   We are ALL sinners and in need of a Savior.   It&#8217;s not an &#8220;us against them&#8221; issue.</p>
<p>Spiritual imposition results in direct and indirect effects upon the body.   The word &#8220;disorder&#8221; is good description of that.   God created us to be in order.   Anything that takes away or distorts that order is evil.   Does that make the person evil?  Not necessarily.   However, some I have notices relish in their condition and embrace their disorder&#8230;for whatever reason.   It becomes part of their identity and they become proud of it.   They use it to justify bad behavior and that, my friend, makes the person evil.</p>
<p>Unapologetically, I contend that the only answer to BPD is Jesus Christ.  His offer is to become delivered, to be set free, to be made whole.   Medicine and therapy are temporal and only suppress the condition.   Putting a bandaid on a demon will not get rid of the demon.</p>
<p>Everything that I wrote above can be said about a number of conditions, physical, behavioral, or emotional.   Most people will reject it because either they don&#8217;t believe in the demonic realm or they don&#8217;t want to deal with the &#8220;sin&#8221; element.   Just remember, Jesus spent a good portion of his 3 years of ministry casting out demons.</p>
<p>Acts 10:38<br />
&#8220;How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t say, &#8220;healing all of the blind, deaf, or lame&#8221;.   It says, &#8220;healing all who were oppressed of the devil&#8221;.   That&#8217;s because all physical, emotional, mental, and behavioral disorder is an oppression of the devil&#8230;the more severe ones likely possession.    To possess means to have custoy of.   A person needs to have a custody change.   From the enemy&#8230;to Jesus.    He will give you rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have BPD and I was not only disgusted by what this lady wrote but I was LMAO! I am just plain shocked that somebody can be so ignorant and ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have BPD and I was not only disgusted by what this lady wrote but I was LMAO! I am just plain shocked that somebody can be so ignorant and ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder (European label for BPD).  How this manifests with me is pure self hatred.  I would rather die than hurt anybody else.  As a child I was a pretty devout Christian, I would take myself off to church on a Sunday morning while my mother slept off her hangovers or simply to avoid her rages (I believe she had BPD - I suppose that&#039;s my point in a sense, we are NOT all the same) but as I grew older and more and more tortured I began to wonder why God allowed this to happen to me.  What did I do wrong?  I&#039;m not going to begin to describe the experiences that led to my mental illness but suffice to say I endured and witnessed far too much for a small child to be able to come out of it unscathed and whole.  I&#039;m rambling now because so much of what has been said on here has touched a nerve with me - it gives me more of a reason to hate myself.  Again, I ask the question - Why did God allow this to happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder (European label for BPD).  How this manifests with me is pure self hatred.  I would rather die than hurt anybody else.  As a child I was a pretty devout Christian, I would take myself off to church on a Sunday morning while my mother slept off her hangovers or simply to avoid her rages (I believe she had BPD &#8211; I suppose that&#8217;s my point in a sense, we are NOT all the same) but as I grew older and more and more tortured I began to wonder why God allowed this to happen to me.  What did I do wrong?  I&#8217;m not going to begin to describe the experiences that led to my mental illness but suffice to say I endured and witnessed far too much for a small child to be able to come out of it unscathed and whole.  I&#8217;m rambling now because so much of what has been said on here has touched a nerve with me &#8211; it gives me more of a reason to hate myself.  Again, I ask the question &#8211; Why did God allow this to happen?</p>
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