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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 02:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-caption-text">The Elephant</p> <p>I don&#8217;t usually get personal on this blog. Today, I have decided to get a bit personal. My &#8220;emotional&#8221; daughter has been texting me &#8211; worried about her mother&#8217;s (my wife&#8217;s) behavior. We have been going back and forth, trying to figure out what we could do to be effective in this [...]
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<p>I don&#8217;t usually get personal on this blog. Today, I have decided to get a bit personal. My &#8220;emotional&#8221; daughter has been texting me &#8211; worried about her mother&#8217;s (my wife&#8217;s) behavior. We have been going back and forth, trying to figure out what we could do to be effective in this situation. Eventually, I had to apply my boundary with my wife. I had to tell her &#8220;I will not talk to you when you&#8217;re in this state&#8221;. It was tough, yet it was the elephant in the room. The thing is&#8230; and this is what you nonBPDs need to learn about boundaries (<a title="Boundaries" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/?s=boundaries" target="_blank">and about which I have written volumes</a>) is that when you apply your boundaries, you have to expect rage, denial and attacks from the borderline. I have been attacked via text messages all day after I did that. I just ignored the attacks, stayed on point and went like a train on the track toward the actual issue. I got a LOT of &#8220;what about you?&#8221; attacks (see <em><a href="/whine-book" target="_blank">When Hope is Not Enough</a> </em>to know that THAT means). Ultimately though, as a nonBPD, you have to be brave and mention the elephant in the room. It&#8217;s hard, it causes ripples with the whole family, yet it&#8217;s important. I just want you all to realize that applying boundaries will (most likely) cause rage, attacks and counter-blame.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Reinforcement, especially positive reinforcement, is a powerful teaching tool. You could more accurately say “training” tool. You have probably used reinforcement in your life without even realizing it. Consider potty training. If you have ever potty-trained (or as many modern texts call it “toilet taught”) a toddler, you know how difficult that task can be. [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reinforcement, especially positive reinforcement, is a powerful teaching tool. You could more accurately say “training” tool. You have probably used reinforcement in your life without even realizing it. Consider potty training. If you have ever potty-trained (or as many modern texts call it “toilet taught”) a toddler, you know how difficult that task can be. However, all kids eventually learn to use the potty – I don’t know of a case of a kid going into high school without knowing how to use the potty.</p>
<p>Potty training provides an excellent example of positive reinforcement and the ignoring of “backsliding.” That is the essence of this tool. When you teach a child to use the potty, you make a BIG positive deal about it when it is successful. The first time you see the poop in the potty, what happens? Typically, the parent praises the child, positively reinforcing the behavior in a way that is out-of-proportion with the accomplishment. You may say, “Yeah! You did it! That’s fantastic! Good Job!” and clap your hands and cheer. You also will tend to do it within seconds of the completed behavior. That is where positive reinforcement differs with general praise. Praise can be given much after the fact and can be bestowed for a number of reasons, including character traits. That is, you could say, “Wow, you are so smart” after your child receives a 100% grade on a math test. That is praise. (Although I’m not sure it is effective, but that is not the topic at hand). Positive reinforcement is for behaviors and should occur right when the behavior is completed. That is how animals are trained. The positive reinforcement (feeding, for example) occurs within seconds of the completed behavior so that the two can be connected in the mind of the animal.<span id="more-1965"></span></p>
<p>If I return to potty training, you will notice that you also naturally ignore and don’t punish behaviors that don’t match the desired behavior. That is, if the child has an accident and poops in his/her pants (while not wearing a diaper) you don’t say, “You are a naughty little boy/girl!” No, that would be damaging to your child’s self-image. No, instead, you say, “Everyone has accidents at first. You can try again next time. It’s OK.” This is an accurate corollary to emotional regulation and reinforcement and punishment. Since the BP naturally has difficulties regulating her emotions, the idea of her “messing up” or “backsliding” is analogous to child pooping in her pants (even if this is more the “rule” than the “exception” in the BP’s life). It is not effective to punish her for behaviors that (at first) she can’t control. The behaviors are conditioned and the purpose of this tool is to help recondition a BP to behaviors that are more desired and effective. After conditioning, the child is able to control (or at least sense) when she has to go potty. After conditioning a BP is able to control (or at least sense) when she is becoming dysregulated.</p>
<p>- An excerpt from <em>When Hope is Not Enough: a how-to guide for living with and loving someone with Borderline Personality Disorder</em>. Available online in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1435719190/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=bondobbs-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=1435719190">Print</a><img style="border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=bondobbs-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1435719190&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" />, <a title="When Hope is Not Enough eBook" href="http://www.lulu.com/product/file-download/when-hope-is-not-enough/2994090" target="_blank">eBook</a> and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QZ9Y1G/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=bondobbs-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349&amp;creativeASIN=B004QZ9Y1G">Kindle</a><img style="border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=bondobbs-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B004QZ9Y1G&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399349" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /><br />
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		<title>Beyond Boundaries eBook now available on the Kindle!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ See larger image Beyond Boundaries (Kindle Edition) By (author) Bon Dobbs List Price: $7.99 USD Release date April 19, 2011. <p>I am pleased to announce that my eBook Beyond Boundaries is now available on the Kindle (and other Kindle format devices/readers). The price has been dropped dramatically because I had to remove the graphs, [...]
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<br /><p>I am pleased to announce that my eBook B<em>eyond Boundaries</em> is now available on the Kindle (and other Kindle format devices/readers). The price has been dropped dramatically because I had to remove the graphs, pictures and change the format slightly to make the content make sense on the Kindle. Some information about <em>Beyond Boundaries</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>My new eBook needs some explaining I think… It is an attempt of mine to bring together the ideas that I presented in “When Hope is Not Enough” plus some new ideas with which I have been working. I adjusted my “model” of BPD slightly beyond that which was presented in “When Hope is Not Enough”. I also speak more to attachment, cheerleading, mentalizing and goal-directed behavior. “When Hope is Not Enough” is a book that is all about the person with BPD. It is to help them (the ESP/BPD/ERD person) feel better. My theory with that one was if they feel better, they won’t act out in order to attempt to feel better. While modeling and reinforcement are behavioral modification techniques that ARE presented in “When Hope is Not Enough”, I have found that once you have mastered what is in “When Hope is Not Enough”, you’re left with a feeling of “what about MY feelings?” because, although things are (sometimes markedly) better, calmer and easier, it still isn’t a 50/50 relationship. That can cause frustration.</p>
<p>I believe I have discovered how to make the relationship closer to 50/50, which was assembled in the new eBook “Beyond Boundaries”. I wanted to get something out there to help people move toward a more 50/50 situation.I believe that it is necessary to read “When Hope is Not Enough” to fully understand “Beyond Boundaries”. I think that many people who buy it might not read “When Hope is Not Enough” first, because of the title. It is amazing how nons get the impression that boundaries are the only “tool” for BPD relationships. I am also trying to debunk that.</p>
<p>I don’t think you can properly apply techniques that move toward a 50/50 relationship without first gaining the trust that comes through “When Hope is Not Enough” (and other books too). Even if you SAY your intent is not malicious, the other person will not believe you unless you have demonstrated benevolent intent that “When Hope is Not Enough” helps facilitate.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Beyond Boundaries</em> is essentially a transitional book that can get you from a calm, but sort of one-way relationship (which can be developed through the skills in <em>When Hope is Not Enough</em>) to a more two-way relationship. It can help you on your path toward emotional skillfulness and mastery.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-caption-text">Emotional Burnout</p> <p>Do non-BPDs have enough compassion for people with Borderline Personality Disorder? A few months ago, Dr. Kristalyn Salters-Pedneault, PhD, About.com’s BPD guide, posted a message entitled “Have Compassion” in which she said: “Many times each week I receive reader comments, forum posts, and personal emails that are incredibly hateful toward people with [...]
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<p>Do non-BPDs have enough compassion for people with Borderline Personality Disorder? A few months ago, Dr. Kristalyn Salters-Pedneault, PhD, About.com’s BPD guide, <a title="About.com's Have Compassion Message" href="/about-com-guide-to-bpd-posts-positive-message-about-negativity-in-non-bpds/" target="_blank">posted a message entitled “Have Compassion”</a> in which she said: “Many times each week I receive reader comments, forum posts, and personal emails that are incredibly hateful toward people with BPD. I do understand that many people have been hurt by individuals with BPD, and that usually these comments are written from a place of pain and anger. But, I am often shocked by the level of vitriol in these comments.” She went on to implore non-BPDs to have compassion for those suffering from BPD saying: “People with BPD deserve your compassion. I am not saying that people with BPD do not behave in ways that are hurtful, nor that they should not have to accept responsibility for these actions (and, by the way, you may not realize it, but they usually do, after the fact, and with a deep sense of shame, guilt, and remorse).”</p>
<p>In January, Randi Kreger, the author of “Stop Walking on Eggshells” and “The Essential Family Guide to BPD”, <a title="Randi Kreger's Response" href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201101/do-family-members-people-borderline-disorder-have-enough-compassi" target="_blank">responded to this message on her “Stop Walking on Eggshells” blog</a>. She responded: “Yes, Family Members Are Compassionate! In fact, family members (FM) of people with BPD are some of the most compassionate people out there. Those who know about BPD are aware their BPD FM didn&#8217;t ask for the disorder.”</p>
<p>I have been thinking about both of these posts for months. I have noticed that when non-BPDs “wash up on the shores of the ATSTP list” they are generally NOT compassionate. I also have found that just telling them that their borderline loved ones “deserve their compassion” does not work. There has to be a period of learning, skills application and understanding the mechanics of the disorder before they begin to develop compassion for their loved ones with BPD. So, I asked myself: why?</p>
<p>When reading <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812974441/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=permanenthoneymo&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0812974441">The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil</a><img style="border: none !important; margin: 0px !important;" src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=permanenthoneymo&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=0812974441" border="0" alt="" width="1" height="1" /> (a book about how “normal” people behave in evil ways), I stumbled onto two concepts that I believe explain why non-BPDs do not have compassion for their borderlines at the beginning. These concepts are: Emotional Burnout and Compassion Fatigue.</p>
<p><strong>Emotional Burnout</strong></p>
<p><a title="Burnout" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnout_(psychology)" target="_blank">Burnout</a> (or emotional burnout) is characterized by three basic building blocks. Those are (with an explanation of each with respect to non-BPDs):</p>
<p><em>Emotional Exhaustion</em> – the emotional intensity of the interactions with a borderline are exhausting. As I indicate in “When Hope is Not Enough” the emotional tolerance of someone with BPD is set far lower than a person without BPD. Therefore, emotional crises are much more likely to occur. I know from experience with my family members that have emotional regulation issues, I get very tired when there’s an EDM (emotionally dysregulated moment). Some of these “moments” can last a while, thirty minutes or longer, and it’s very difficult for me to have compassion when I am emotionally exhausted.</p>
<p><em>Cynicism</em> – unfortunately, because the emotional tolerance of a person with BPD is set so low, I have found that many non-BPDs are quite cynical about the reactions of a borderline to “trivial” things. Often, non-BPDs express that their borderlines are “freaking out” over “nothing” or that the borderlines are just inherently evil (in fact, my post about “demonic possession and BPD” is one of the most popular and most commented upon on this blog). BPD is often thought to be a “character flaw” or a case of the borderline just “behaving badly”. These attitudes lead to more cynicism on the part of the non-BPDs. Additionally, the non-BPD’s compassion is often conditional. It seems to be a case of “I’ll have compassion for you when you start to behave better (or go into treatment or get out of the fantasy world you’re living in)”. This leads to more cynicism, because the borderline is not “keeping up their end of the bargain.”</p>
<p><em>Inefficacy</em> – I have written about <a title="Learned Helplessness" href="/learned-helplessness-stockholm-syndrome-bpd/" target="_blank">learned helplessness on this blog</a> before. I feel that the non-BPDs try to control that over which they have no control. This leads to inefficacy (and learned helplessness). The idea that nothing they try has any effect on the situation.</p>
<p><strong>Compassion Fatigue</strong></p>
<p><a title="Compassion Fatigue" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion_fatigue" target="_blank">Compassion Fatigue</a> is a condition that generally health care professionals (such as nurses) or charity donors develop when they have just “seen too much pain and suffering” to extend their compassion. I think with respect to non-BPDs, it begins to develop when (through cynicism) the non-BPD begins to feel that the borderline is “crying wolf” too many times (i.e. they are getting “overly upset” about things that are “trivial” and that the intensity of the reactions are “too much” for the situation as the non-BPD sees it). Non-BPDs then begin to withdrawal their compassion. I once had a therapist tell me and my wife that we couldn’t continue to “live at the intensity level that we were living at.” I believe that because of “psychic equivalence” (when the borderline gets into “feelings = facts” mode, or that their mind actually reflects the environment, even when it is misaligned with how the non-BPD sees things), the non-BPD develops more and more cynicism about the behavior of the borderline, gets emotionally exhausted by the frequent emotional crises and gets discouraged when all that they’ve been taught to do (boundaries, tough love, behavioral contracts, talking sense to the borderline, etc.) don’t have any effect, the non-BPD develops compassion fatigue and begins to feel that the borderline is just “dramatic” or a “lost cause”. Interestingly, compassion fatigue is also referred to as secondary traumatic stress disorder, which seems to apply to the situation with non-BPDs.</p>
<p>So, do non-BPDs have enough compassion for borderlines? At the beginning, before they begin to behave effectively and before they adjust their attitudes about BPD, I’d have to say “no”. However, emotional burnout and compassion fatigue CAN be combated. How? I’ll cover that in a subsequent post.</p>
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		<title>Updated Beyond Boundaries eBook</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, I updated the <em>Beyond Boundaries </em>eBook and created a second edition. Much of the content from the original <em>Beyond Boundaries</em> eBook is the same. I repaired some (hopefully all) of the typos and rewrote small portions of the eBook to make certain skills and concepts clearer. It is still 72 pages, yet the file size is 30% smaller. I guess this is due to a more efficient Adobe Acrobat.</p>
<p>Here is the original announcement about <em>Beyond Boundaries</em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>My new eBook needs some explaining I think&#8230; It is an attempt of mine to bring together the ideas that I presented in &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; plus some new ideas with which I have been working. I adjusted my &#8220;model&#8221; of BPD slightly beyond that which was presented in &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221;. I also speak more to attachment, cheerleading, mentalizing and goal-directed behavior. &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; is a book that is all about the person with BPD. It is to help them (the ESP/BPD/ERD person) feel better. My theory with that one was if they feel better, they won&#8217;t act out in order to attempt to feel better. While modeling and reinforcement are behavioral modification techniques that ARE presented in &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221;, I have found that once you have mastered what is in &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221;, you&#8217;re left with a feeling of &#8220;what about MY feelings?&#8221; because, although things are (sometimes markedly) better, calmer and easier, it still isn&#8217;t a 50/50 relationship. That can cause frustration.</p>
<p>I believe I have discovered how to make the relationship closer to 50/50, which was assembled in the new eBook &#8220;Beyond Boundaries&#8221;. I wanted to get something out there to help people move toward a more 50/50 situation.I believe that it is necessary to read &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; to fully understand &#8220;Beyond Boundaries&#8221;. I think that many people who buy it might not read &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; first, because of the title. It is amazing how nons get the impression that boundaries are the only &#8220;tool&#8221; for BPD relationships. I am also trying to debunk that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can properly apply techniques that move toward a 50/50 relationship without first gaining the trust that comes through &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; (and other books too). Even if you SAY your intent is not malicious, the other person will not believe you unless you have demonstrated benevolent intent that &#8220;When Hope is Not Enough&#8221; helps facilitate.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>A page from my eBook &#8220;Beyond Boundaries&#8221;&#8230;.</p> <p>In a word, nothing.</p> <p>What I have a problem with is people using only boundaries (also known as “limits”). I have a problem with people thinking that boundaries are the end-all, be-all of relationship tools. I also have a problem with people using “boundaries” that are not really [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A page from my eBook <a title="Beyond Boundaries eBook" href="/store" target="_self">&#8220;Beyond Boundaries&#8221;</a>&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p>In a word, nothing.</p>
<p>What I have a problem with is people using only boundaries (also known as “limits”). I have a problem with people thinking that boundaries are the end-all, be-all of relationship tools. I also have a problem with people using “boundaries” that are not really boundaries at all.</p>
<p>Let me explain… Many in the Non-BPD support community (loved ones of people with borderline personality disorder – BPD) seem to latch on to boundaries as the main tool for dealing with their loved one with BPD. While boundaries (if understood and used properly) can be an effective tool for you, boundaries are not the end-all, be-all tool in a Non-BPD’s toolbox. I have read hundreds of messages that advise others to “enforce their boundaries” with someone with BPD, as if boundaries will make the relationship more manageable. Actually, boundaries are not the most effective tool in dealing with someone with BPD. What are the more effective tools? I will explain those at length in this eBook.</p>
<p>Another problem with boundaries is that if a Non-BPD decides to use ONLY boundaries, troubles will occur. The reason behind this is that boundaries are an effective tool for YOU, but not necessarily an effective tool for the relationship. Often, when someone is using only boundaries, the person on the “receiving end” of the boundary will feel like they are being dealt with harshly, which, in some circumstances, can cause MORE rage. With BPD, the application of “tough love” is most often not effective. While tough love may be appropriate with substance abuse or other behavioral disorders, BPD is not primarily a behavioral disorder. It is primarily a disorder of the emotional regulation system  (some researchers have suggested renaming the disorder to “Emotional Regulation Disorder”). It is a true mental illness with both biological and environmental causes and effects. It’s not just a person behaving badly, even though it can include severe behavioral dysfunction.</p>
<p>A final problem with boundaries is the misunderstanding of what boundaries are and to whom they apply. I explain this issue in the “About Boundaries” section of this eBook.</p>
<p>The reason I titled this eBook “Beyond Boundaries” is because the tools represented within are just that: they are tools to take your relationship to an effective level, beyond the knee-jerk idea that boundaries are the best tool for a Non-BPD/BPD relationship. Although many support groups, self-help books and even therapists provide the single tool of boundaries for your relationship, this eBook will provide you with an entire tool kit. Like any tool kit, the tools contained within are appropriate for different tasks. Your job, if you are willing to do it, is to learn the function of each tool and then practice with each tool until you have a complete mastery over it. That is the way to emotional freedom and peace in a difficult relationship.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>“How to set boundaries to protect yourself and improve living with a BP?”</p> <p>OK, I don’t normally do it, but today I went out to my old (circa 2005-2006) haunt – WTO (i.e. “Welcome to Oz”). WTO is the largest non-BP board on the Internet. It’s been around or at least 10 years and has [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“How to set boundaries to protect yourself and improve living with a BP?”</p>
<p>OK, I don’t normally do it, but today I went out to my old (circa 2005-2006) haunt – WTO (i.e. “Welcome to Oz”). WTO is the largest non-BP board on the Internet. It’s been around or at least 10 years and has over 4,000 members. Most of the members are quiet (like me). I used to post way back when and got into a number of “altercations” with people because I was presenting a different approach to people with BPD than the majority of the members. Mostly, it’s people who have just started trying to figure out what BPD is all about and are hurt and frustrated.</p>
<p>The quoted text above is a subject line of a recent post. I feel for the woman, I really do. Yet, that line seems to typify the very problem with BPD support groups. Firstly, there is an assumption that boundaries are the default tool for making a relationship work. They aren’t. I explain in great detail in my <a title="Beyond Boundaries eBook" href="/store" target="_self">eBook “Beyond Boundaries”</a>. However, the short version about boundaries is (from the <a title="Beyond Boundaries eBook" href="/store" target="_self">Beyond Boundaries eBook</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>If you do any research on BPD, you will find a plethora of advice from all types of people. There are Internet support groups, self-help books and personal stories that tell you what to do as a Non-BP. Some of this advice is good and works effectively with someone with BPD. Some of this advice is not good and is ineffective with someone with BPD. Some of this advice is misperceived by the Non and applied in a way that is not intended by the advice giver. The most misunderstood tool is boundaries.</p>
<p>If I had a nickel for every time someone joins my Internet list and says: “I set boundaries and try to enforce them.”</p>
<p>… or something like that, I’d be rich. Well, not really but I would probably have a couple of hundred dollars anyway.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, most people who try to create and apply boundaries to their BP relationship, do so improperly and with misunderstanding. This misunderstanding is amplified across the Internet and in publications about dealing with an emotionally sensitive person. The misunderstanding arises in two forms: one is the meaning of a boundary, and the second is to whom the boundary applies.</p>
<p>Many people believe that a “boundary” is equivalent to a rule and that they have to enforce their personal boundaries with a person who has BPD. This is not the case. A personal boundary is not a rule that needs to be enforced. Instead, a personal boundary is a limit that one puts on one’s own behavior. It is a choice that you make about your own behavior and a limit on the behavior you’re willing to engage in.</p></blockquote>
<p>Boundaries have their place, but the assumption that boundaries (or limits) are the end-all, be-all (or even the default approach to BPD is IMO misguided. Other tools are much more important, effective and productive than boundaries.</p>
<p>Now as for “protecting oneself” I can certainly understand why one would feel that they need to protect themselves. However, I see a relationship not as a power struggle or “battle of wills” but as a cooperative sharing of feelings. Unfortunately, a borderline’s feelings are very overwhelming and, at times, seem to be the only feelings in the relationship. If someone is trying to hurt you, it’s quite possible that they’re not borderline, they’re a psychopath (in the true sense of the term). If you’d like to know more about true psychopath you can <a title="Pyschopathy" href="http://wms4.streamhoster.com/video4nea/ISSPD09/contributions-neuroimaging.mp3" target="_blank">listen to this</a> (the middle part is the presentation of Dr. James Blair about psychopathy).</p>
<p>You see borderline aggression is reactive in nature. It is reactive to what the borderline perceives as a threat. If the environment is a power struggle, they are going to be trigger continuously. If the environment is a cooperative sharing of feelings, the threat level will go down and you will get less aggression.</p>
<p>This pattern is not the same as a true psychopath.</p>
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		<title>A new eBook from Bon Dobbs</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="wp-caption-text">New &#34;Beyond Boundaries&#34; eBook</p> <p>I published a new eBook called Beyond Boundaries: the advanced guide for loved ones of people with BPD. This 72 page eBook is packed with information and tools for you to gain a more effective and calmer relationship with someone with BPD. It is the culmination of what I have [...]
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<p>I published a new eBook called <em>Beyond Boundaries: the advanced guide for loved ones of people with BPD</em>. This 72 page eBook is packed with information and tools for you to gain a more effective and calmer relationship with someone with BPD. It is the culmination of what I have done in <em>When Hope is Not Enough</em> as well as what I have been working on since. It explains (rather tersely) what you can do and how you can get your relationship to be more of a trusting, loving relationship. It also explains when boundaries are helpful and when they are not.</p>
<p>The cost of the new eBook is $18.00. I think you will find that it is worth it. People in NY will have to pay sales tax. Sorry, blame the NY State legislature.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Recently, Randi Kreger published her new book &#8220;The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder.&#8221; I read it and have to give thanks to Randi for providing it to me gratis. Thanks Randi!</p> <p>At the same time, I have a problem with this book. While it is MUCH better than &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221; (SWOE), [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, Randi Kreger published her new book &#8220;The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder.&#8221; I read it and have to give thanks to Randi for providing it to me gratis. Thanks Randi!</p>
<p>At the same time, I have a problem with this book. While it is MUCH better than &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221; (SWOE), her previous book about NON-BPs, I agree with her prescription about 40%. Her sections on &#8220;Communicating to be heard&#8221; and &#8220;Reinforcing right behavior&#8221; are agreeable, the rest is NOT agreeable to me. I will soon offer a true book review of this new book; however, I believe (humbly) that <a title="WHINE" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/wline-book/" target="_blank">my book WHINE</a> is a MUCH better book for understanding and dealing with a person with BPD than either SWOE or &#8220;The Essential Guide&#8230;&#8221; by Randi. While I know where she is coming from, she misses an essential thing about BPD &#8211; that thing is IAAHF (&#8220;it&#8217;s all about his/her feelings&#8221;), a concept in WHINE. She still seems to think that you can make it (at first) about YOUR feelings, which, with BPD, is impossible at first. This is both my opinion and the opinions of the members of my group. I am a bit miffed that  SWOE sold something like 300,00 copies and WHINE 300, because I think (as do my almost 400) group members that WHINE is a MUCH better book to understand the BPD/NON-BPD dynamic than either SWOE or &#8220;The Essential Family Guide&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I know that Randi will see this via her Google alerts and I welcome her comments. I have no argument or disagreement with Randi. I respect her and feel she is contributing to the community the best she can. At that same time, I feel her publishing efforts fall short of what is effective in the NON-BP area.</p>
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		<title>Boundaries and their effective use</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, well&#8230; I don&#8217;t know why but apparently I continue to be a subject at WTO. Weird. I posted about <a title="WTO and Me" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/2008/06/16/follow-the-yellow-click-road/" target="_blank">this a few days ago</a>. I&#8217;ve been out of touch with the blog for a few days, while I do family stuff and take care of my email list. I really admire the people on my list; they do a great job of being both honest and validating with one another &#8211; while at the same time providing constructive advice to one another.</p>
<p>Boundaries&#8230; I&#8217;ve posted about boundaries many times before. I think boundaries are one of the most misunderstood concepts in the non-BP/BP relationship. While it is difficult to be a parent of anyone (much less someone with BPD) and provide no guidance to your child &#8211; I mean, it is natural to want to provide some advice and guidance to children &#8211; boundaries in the sense that many people on the Internet understand them are not effective in an emotional situation. Now, WAIT! Actually boundaries ARE effective&#8230; OK, how can I say they aren&#8217;t effective and are effective at the same time?</p>
<p>The major problem with boundaries is that most of the Nons out there believe that boundaries are something to &#8220;control&#8221; or &#8220;moderate&#8221; their BP&#8217;s behavior. This concept is absolutely ineffective and untrue. Boundaries created for other people (whether they have BPD or not) are not effective &#8211; especially when the other person has a general fear of judgment like those with BPD. Those types of boundaries are not really boundaries at all &#8211; they are RULES for the behavior of another person. They will not work in emotional situations.</p>
<p>Boundaries that DO work are those you set for yourself with respect to other people&#8217;s behavior. In other words, boundaries that guide your OWN behavior are effective ones. If you say to someone, &#8220;I will not go to a restaurant with you if you are drunk&#8221; (for example), what you are really doing is setting a boundary that limits/affects your OWN behavior given certain conditions. That type of boundary is effective because you, as a non-BP, have complete control over it. You can choose NOT to do something given a set of conditions.</p>
<p>I would encourage you to examine what you &#8221;boundaries&#8221; you have in place and see if they are rules for other people&#8217;s behaviors or if they are actual personal boundaries that manage your own behavior and reactions. If they are the former, I expect you will end up being frustrated quickly. If they are the later, then you can find some peace when they are applied to a given situation. This statement isn&#8217;t meant to imply that someone with BPD will automatically accept your application of personal boundaries (to yourself). No, they might rage at you or try and convince you to do otherwise (i.e. go to the restaurant even if they are drunk), but you are the master of your own behavior and you can always be firm and say, &#8220;No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Why did I bother to write a book?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bon Dobbs</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">Interestingly, I have sold more downloaded books than print copies thus far. I have sold about twice as many of the downloaded version (at $7.50) than the print copy ($19.95). This is not something that I expected to happen.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">I have been asked time and time again why I bothered to write a [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">Interestingly, I have sold more downloaded books than print copies thus far. I have sold about twice as many of the downloaded version (at $7.50) than the print copy ($19.95). This is not something that I expected to happen.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have been asked time and time again why <a title="When Love is Not Enough" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/wline-book/" target="_blank">I bothered to write a book</a>. There are other books out there, including the best-selling Non-BP book “Stop Walking on Eggshells” (or SWOE). I read SWOE about 2 ½ years ago and found it lacking. The big problem with it for me was that the prescription for “taking back your life” wasn’t working in my life. The application of boundaries, for example, wasn’t effective. So, I sought out other resources that would be effective. I wrote my book “When Hope is Not Enough” for four main reasons:</p>
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<li>Other books on the subject (most notably SWOE) didn’t work or tell me HOW to do things. I needed the know-how. My book tries to supply the know-how to “deal with” someone with BPD. I learned a lot from SWOE, but again, I wanted to know WHAT to do and HOW to do it.</li>
<li>Obviously, the money angle comes into play. I have wanted to quit my day job for a long time now, but I need the income to support my family. I’d like to do this “Non-BP” thing full time. I feel that the Non-BP’s are missing the support resources. While I do run the <a title="ATSTP Google Email Support Group" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/atstp-group/" target="_blank">ATSTP email list</a> to help support Non-BP’s, I didn’t feel like that was enough – plus, it doesn’t pay me anything. I am hoping that I will get better sales once the book makes it to Amazon. That should happen in about a month or so.</li>
<li>I wanted to collect all of my tools and skills in one place. Often, I have to re-educate newbies (and even some old timers) on my email list. I find myself going over the same old ground again and again – explaining the disorder, instructing on the proper use of boundaries and validation, etc., etc. It’s difficult for me to step back in time and put myself in the mind-set of someone who knows little about the disorder and what to do in the face of it. I wanted to create a compendium for the attitudes and tools that are effective when dealing with BPD. One of the key tools is, of course, emotional validation. I expect to write another eBook specifically on <a title="Validation Category" href="http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/category/validation/" target="_blank">validation</a>, what it is and how to do it properly. I explain it at length in my book, but there are many other concepts I have to explain before I explain validation. I think a dedicated eBook in which I explain in detail the validation process would help.</li>
<li>Finally, the members of my email list asked me to write the book. They were also looking for a single resource that collected all of the knowledge about dealing with highly emotional people in one place. I hope the book will function in this way.</li>
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		<title>Self-destructive friends &#8212; what to do? (from CNN)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Self-destructive friends &#8212; what to do? (from CNN)</p> <p>By Elizabeth Bougerol</p> <p>(LifeWire) &#8212; When Theresa heard her friend was getting married, her heart sank.</p> <p>&#8220;I told her I thought it was a mistake,&#8221; says Theresa. &#8220;So she kicked me out of her wedding party. We didn&#8217;t speak for six months.&#8221;</p> <p>And the happy couple?</p> <p>&#8220;Within [...]
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<p>By Elizabeth Bougerol</p>
<p>(LifeWire) &#8212; When Theresa heard her friend was getting married, her heart sank.</p>
<p>&#8220;I told her I thought it was a mistake,&#8221; says Theresa. &#8220;So she kicked me out of her wedding party. We didn&#8217;t speak for six months.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the happy couple?</p>
<p>&#8220;Within a year, her husband left her for another man,&#8221; said Theresa, who asked that her full name not be used.</p>
<p>For Theresa, a medical receptionist in the Adirondacks, this was one more incident that followed a familiar pattern: Her friend picks the wrong man, and Theresa is left to pick up the pieces.</p>
<p>The final straw came when Theresa&#8217;s friend gave a different boyfriend power of attorney even though Theresa begged her not to.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just felt powerless,&#8221; says Theresa.</p>
<p>Such hard-to-control impulses cause behavior that is not only self-destructive but prompts frustration and anger among friends and family trying to lend a hand.</p>
<p>Roots of self-destructive behavior</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody wants to watch someone they love hurt themselves,&#8221; says Angela Wurtzel, a psychotherapist in Santa Barbara, California, specializing in &#8220;hunger diseases&#8221; like eating disorders, self-injury and compulsive shopping.</p>
<p>But in almost all cases, she warns, trying to help will backfire.</p>
<p>What a well-intentioned friend may see as a clear-cut problem with an obvious solution &#8212; an anorexic should eat more, for example, or a compulsive shopper should cut up the credit card &#8212; is something far more complex.</p>
<p>&#8220;These compulsions serve a purpose as a self-soothing or coping mechanism for deep psychological pain,&#8221; Wurtzel says.</p>
<p>This helps to explain the individual&#8217;s resistance to change &#8212; which frustrates those who try to intervene.</p>
<p>&#8220;Friends feel powerless because they are,&#8221; Wurtzel says. &#8220;These compulsions have roots in issues that have taken a lifetime to develop.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A friend can offer support, but finding the reasons behind the behavior, and breaking down resistance? That&#8217;s a therapist&#8217;s job,&#8221; Wurtzel says.</p>
<p>Setting boundaries</p>
<p>When the friend you&#8217;re trying to help can&#8217;t let go, should you?</p>
<p>&#8220;I had to,&#8221; says Michael, whose attempts to help a friend spiraling out of control after her mother&#8217;s death were thwarted repeatedly.</p>
<p>&#8220;It started with drinking and drugs, then she quit her job, canceled her cell phone, just dropped off the map &#8212; like an animal that goes off to die,&#8221; says the IT technician living outside of Washington, DC.</p>
<p>Michael, who asked that his full name not be used, said he wanted to help &#8220;but in my experience, helping someone who&#8217;s not ready pushes them away &#8212; and makes you worse, because nothing you do makes a difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael&#8217;s friend ultimately sought professional help, but they&#8217;re no longer close. Theresa has lessened contact with her friend.</p>
<p>&#8220;I miss our friendship,&#8221; says Theresa. &#8220;But I don&#8217;t miss the teary 3 a.m. phone calls.&#8221;</p>
<p>Helping for the wrong reasons</p>
<p>Despite good intentions, some helpers may be overly invested in fixing friends who can&#8217;t seem to fix themselves.</p>
<p>&#8220;I definitely attract needy people,&#8221; says Theresa. &#8220;When I was able to help (the friend), it felt good &#8212; but that became harder and harder, and she&#8217;d blame me for letting her down.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s much easier to focus on another&#8217;s problems than to acknowledge our own,&#8221; says Wurtzel, who works with patients who repeatedly seek out helper-helpee relationships. &#8220;And this can become its own compulsion, recreating a familiar dynamic that&#8217;s just as self-destructive for the helper.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re compelled to intervene in these situations, ask yourself what you&#8217;re getting out of it,&#8221; Wurtzel says.</p>
<p>Finding a balance</p>
<p>According to Wurtzel, the key to helping a self-destructive friend lies in a delicate balance of compassion and boundaries. She offers advice for lending a hand while preserving the friendship &#8212; and your sanity:</p>
<p>• Set expectations, but don&#8217;t make demands. &#8220;An adult relationship is based on expectations, standards and values, with compassion for differences,&#8221; Wurtzel says. &#8220;Demanding the other do things for you and the relationship creates a power struggle.&#8221;</p>
<p>• Make the other feel heard. &#8220;People with self-destructive tendencies expect others to be angry with and abandon them,&#8221; says Wurtzel. &#8220;You can validate their difficulties without condoning the behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>• Understand your powerlessness. &#8220;If you feel powerless in the situation, it&#8217;s because you are,&#8221; Wurtzel says. &#8220;The battle of self-destructive behavior is within the person, between them and them.&#8221;</p>
<p>• Resist the rescue impulse. If someone&#8217;s always swooping in to save the day, the self-destructive person has no reason take care of themselves. &#8220;Lay out your expectations for the relationship, for what you&#8217;re willing to do and what you expect them to do,&#8221; Wurtzel says. &#8220;It creates the impetus to change.&#8221;</p>
<p>• Set boundaries &#8212; not for the self-destructive person but for yourself. &#8220;Otherwise the relationship becomes unequal, unhelpful and destructive to both people,&#8221; Wurtzel says.</p>
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		<title>Tough Love is NOT the Answer with BPD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often peruse the web for articles and posts about dealing with people with Borderline Personality Disorder and what I usually find is incorrect and misguided. I recently stumbled upon a post that can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.helium.com/tm/339437/individuals-suffering-borderline-personality">http://www.helium.com/tm/339437/individuals-suffering-borderline-personality</a></p>
<p>In which the author gives some insight and advice about “dealing with” someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. I’d like to look at her advice by excerpting some of her text and then offer a little commentary.</p>
<p>First of all, she says this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Individuals suffering from borderline personality disorder are very self-destructive and they have great difficulty forming any good relationships. A deep-seeded fear of abandonment is behind every wayward action and prolonged mood swing. It’s [sic] victims are mainly women who show frequent displays of inappropriate anger and who exhibit forms of self-mutilation. They also act on impulse, without regards to consequences and than [sic] hold others responsible for their actions. They are sexually permissive and may indulge in binge eating and drug abuse. Victims of this disorder may shop lift. Hell bent on harming themselves, they live with no discipline or boundary.</p></blockquote>
<p>While this characterization is generally true, it suffers from what wikipedia calls “weasel words”. Basically, the words that are used slant the information toward being extremely judgmental. What I mean is the use of the words “great difficulty forming any good relationships,” “every wayward action and prolonged mood swing,” “show frequent displays of inappropriate anger,” and “they live with no discipline or boundary” all show us that the author is judgmental toward the sufferer. The idea of “prolonged mood swing” is incorrect as well, since the “moods” of a person with BPD generally last only hours. Also, the idea that “they are sexually permissive” MAY be true for some of the sufferers, but not for all. The idea that a “fear of abandonment is behind EVERY wayward action” is also incorrect. Much of the “actions” are motivated by pain relief and/or shame. Use of the words “no discipline” betrays the authors true feelings about people with the disorder and tells me she doesn’t understand the disorder very well (see below on “Tough Love”).</p>
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<p>The author goes on to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>Group therapy can resolve self-destructive behaviors. These individuals learn better from their peers because of their resistance to authority. Impulse behavior can be curtailed in this same setting.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is basically wrong. Group therapy does work (especially in the context of DBT), but not for the reasons that the author suggests. It is not a “resistance to authority” that drives the effectiveness of group therapy. Instead, seeing that one is not the only sufferer and having the ability to support one another normalizes the disorder. You are not just the broken, shameful person that you feel you are. Interestingly, many people with BPD will criticize others in the group and report that they are not as “crazy” as those people are.</p>
<p>The thing I have the most problem with is this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Tough love may be needed from family members and loved ones before the person asks for assistance.</p></blockquote>
<p>This statement is completely false and possibly harmful. Here is the text of a post of mine in the ATSTP group which addresses Tough Love:</p>
<p>Depending on the actual problem with your son(s) the idea of &#8220;tough love&#8221; might be the worst thing for him (them). While it seems to work for substance abuse, tough love can be an awful mixture for those with ERD-like issues. The problem comes down to the &#8220;invalidating environment&#8221; as Marsha Linehan puts it. Tough love will invalidate a person&#8217;s basic feelings and lead to shame and the feeling of &#8220;brokenness&#8221;. I have seen this first-hand with one of my daughter&#8217;s friends. This friend is 16 now and is a classic BPD/ERD case. She has been kicked out of several &#8220;lock down&#8221; facilities. Recently her mother sent her to a &#8220;tough love&#8221;/boot camp. It was a total disaster for the kid and for the family.</p>
<p>A better approach IMO, is emotional validation + a sense of personal responsibility. This combination is built through letting the person know that feelings are not wrong or right, they just ARE. The second half comes through building mastery over their behavior associated with feelings. Bad feelings just exist. This is important because often a person with such issues will use behaviors (like drug abuse or cutting or raging) to make the bad feelings go away as quickly as possible. They need to learn to tolerate the distress and behave in an effective manner. Once this new behavior/reaction to feelings is practiced, they can eventually build mastery over the behaviors. This works backward to help quell the feelings.</p>
<p>It seems that most parents believe that emotional validation = &#8220;giving in&#8221; (or agreeing with the child or &#8220;poor discipline&#8221; or whatever). This is NOT the case. It&#8217;s difficult for me to express this more firmly. Remember the word &#8220;emotional&#8221; is important. If you validate invalid behavior, you are enabling. It is important to separate in your mind the emotions (which are natural) from the behavior (which can be painful to all involved). If that separation can be communicated to the person with ERD, it can be worked with. It is difficult, but possible.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, tough love is not the answer.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a snippet from one of my posters in ATSTP. It does a good job of explaining boundaries:</p>
<blockquote><p>Forgive me, but I feel the need to restate what Bon wrote to you about boundaries.  They are not about your partner&#8217;s actions.  They are about yours.</p>
<p>In essence, boundaries are what you do with YOURSELF &#8212; AFTER the line&#8217;s been crossed.  And eventually, they become what you do to put yourself in a position so the line CAN&#8217;T be crossed.  They really have nothing to do with the &#8220;perpetrator&#8221;.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s confusing, think of it this way:</p>
<p>1.  The law says:  Don&#8217;t go over 55 mph.  (That&#8217;s a rule, not a boundary.)<br />
2.  A speeder goes 85 mph.  (That&#8217;s breaking a rule, not breaking a boundary.)<br />
3.  You&#8217;re a passenger in a car while the speeder is driving.  (You&#8217;re in a dangerous situation.  Boundaries still aren&#8217;t a factor.)<br />
4.  You tell the driver they should slow down.  (That&#8217;s a plea, not a boundary.)<br />
5.  They don&#8217;t, so you yell at them that they should.  (That&#8217;s still a plea.)<br />
6.  You tell them if they don&#8217;t slow down, that they&#8217;ll get a ticket.  (That&#8217;s a threat of consequences, not enforcing a boundary.)<br />
7.  Next time they ask you to ride with them, you don&#8217;t.  (THAT&#8217;S a boundary.)</p>
<p>See, the thing is &#8212; Boundaries can&#8217;t be enforced, because they&#8217;re not rules.  You either do them, or you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The idea even works in the traffic parallel.  What&#8217;s a boundary on a road?  A concrete divider.  Cars CAN&#8217;T go over that.  On the other hand, yellow lines are just rules that say &#8220;Don&#8217;t drive over this.&#8221;  So they have to be enforced.</p>
<p>So, how can you tell a rule from a boundary?  If you have to enforce it, it&#8217;s not a boundary.</p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a lot of confusion about boundaries, which they are and how they apply to BPD. I plan on featuring some discussion and information about boundaries here. Here is a snippet from the Anything to Stop the Pain email list about boundaries:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think most boundaries are consciously set.<span> </span>I feel most of them are designed into us as a survival mechanism.<span> </span>Many of these function at an emotional rather than rational level of the mind.&#8221; – an ATSTP member on boundaries</p>
<p>Emotions are built-in mechanisms to detect and avoid threats. They are part of the &#8220;animal brain&#8221; (the limbic system) and operate at a lower level than &#8220;rational&#8221; (cortex-based) thoughts. So, if you have an emotion (fear) you might create an unconscious boundary to protect your survival (I will not go down that block after midnight). The key with highly emotional people is that their emotions are so wildly swinging, the boundaries are moving rapidly as well. My wife will do something under the influence of intense emotions (and impulsively) that she would never do when &#8220;rational&#8221;. She will violate her own boundaries because of the threat to her survival &#8220;seems&#8221; there. It may not match the facts of the situation, but she feels that it does and in that way creates a new &#8220;boundary&#8221; (or reaction to emotions that is natural, even if the cause of the emotion is not valid). I think it is important to keep that in mind. I bring it up because people here are upset that the BP can&#8217;t observe boundaries or doesn&#8217;t have &#8220;personal values&#8221; (or whatever language we use), when in fact, the other person is subject to strong emotions that make the behavior seem perfectly &#8220;reasonable&#8221; (since they contribute to his/her survival) at the time.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In my Google Group, I recently responded to a member about boundaries and the term &#8220;non&#8221;. In this message the word SWOE refers to the book &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221; and WTO refers to the &#8220;Welcome to Oz&#8221; Yahoo mailing group (which is the largest Non group on the Internet). As you can see by [...]
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my Google Group, I recently responded to a member about boundaries and the term &#8220;non&#8221;. In this message the word SWOE refers to the book &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221; and WTO refers to the &#8220;Welcome to Oz&#8221; Yahoo mailing group (which is the largest Non group on the Internet). As you can see by my message I am not over enthusiastic about either:</p>
<p>&#8211; snip</p>
<blockquote><p>The WTO site is all about the &#8220;non&#8221; and<br />
setting &#8220;boundaries&#8221; does this come from SWOE???</p></blockquote>
<p>The non label does come from SWOE as far as I&#8217;ve been able to tell. It is in common usage now throuhgout the Internet and the BPD community in general. I know some in the DBT trade that are extremely upset about the use of the term non. A reponse from one of these people: &#8220;Would you call someone living with a cancer victim a &#8216;non&#8217;?&#8221; (as in non-cancer-patient). The belief that BPD is a medical condition (rather than, say, a purely behavioral one) is very strong in that community. Part of that is because most of the people I have met are parents of BPD daughters (all of them, no sons). I think they don&#8217;t want to feel that they have contributed in any way to their child&#8217;s condition. I can understnd this &#8211; it is painful enough to have a child with BPD, it is even more painful to think that you caused it.</p>
<p>At WTO we went round and round about nature vs. nuture. I think there is a combo of each involved. Most of the &#8220;non&#8221; community thinks that sexual or physical abuse is the ONLY cause of BPD. Clearly, that is not true. My wife was sexually abused, but my daughter (who shows signs of emotional regulation problems and impulsivity) has not been. As for parenting &#8220;style&#8221; &#8211; we have many times told my daughter to &#8220;cut it out&#8221; when she was acting particularly emotional &#8211; and that is invalidating. The completely weird thing is I always thought I&#8217;d treat all my children the same way, but now I know it won&#8217;t work. They are all different and all need different treatment of their emotional needs.</p>
<p>As for boundaries, I&#8217;m not sure why that seems to be the focus of the people that read SWOE. I hadn&#8217;t read it in a while, but I looked over the workbook and found the following:</p>
<p>1) It has a very validating message toward the nons, but a very &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; message to the BPs. I can understand this since the audience is the nons. We feel confused and upset and those feelings need validating as much as the BP&#8217;s feelings. Most BPs that have read the book think it is brutal toward them. Why? Because it paints them in a fairly manipulative light. I don&#8217;t think they find themselves to be manipulative. I no longer see my wife as manipulative, she just doesn&#8217;t have the self esteem or social skills to be that way. What is true is that her feelings are all about HER &#8211; so it feels like there is a selfishness in it, even when she hates herself.</p>
<p>A note from a borderline&#8217;s site on SWOE:</p>
<blockquote><p>Stop Walking on Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Borderline Personality Disorder</p>
<p>This is written primarily for those who care about someone with BPD rather than for BPs themselves. However, I have read it (I need to know what they&#8217;re writing about us) and can&#8217;t say I was over-impressed. I don&#8217;t think it presented BPD in a favourable light at all and it was written very much in an &#8216;us versus them&#8217; style (a very provocative stance to present to a borderline!). It may provide important validation for those suffering at the hands of their BP&#8217;s confusing behaviour and help to explain where some of the &#8216;odd&#8217; behaviour comes from, but I found it hard to evaluate the &#8216;self-help&#8217; section as I found it very patronising. I believe there is a second edition of this out now, so who knows, maybe some of these problems have been ironed out. As far as I know it&#8217;s still the only book on BPD specifically for the friends and family of BPs so you may have no choice&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>2) Boundaries DO play a large part in SWOE, but I think most people mis-understand them. Boundaries are for yourself. The idea that &#8220;control&#8221; of the BP can be affected by boundaries is clearly not the case. I think that what happens with boundaries is that nons have such anger and are feeling that their partners are doing all these crazy &#8220;out of control&#8221; things, that they are very empowered by the idea of boundaries. Usually the nons are co-dependant and either allow the behavior to happen or blow up and get angry with the BP. The boundaries provide them with a new sense of control over their life &#8211; so they&#8217;re like &#8220;whohoo!&#8221; Also, the boundaries provide nons with something that they can do without having to understand the BP at all. Meaning, it says, &#8220;all of the crazy behavior is the BP&#8217;s fault, they have no boundaries, they are manipulative, they are evil, etc.&#8221; so the nons latch on to that idea without having to take any responsibility for their own invalidating behvaior and without having to &#8220;look at the problem through the BP&#8217;s eyes&#8221; (being empathetic) and without having to show unconditional love to some one who is emotionally ill (compassion).</p>
<p>3) There are some nuggets of good information in SWOE (such as the DEAR and PUVAS techniques), but much of that good info is ignored by the nons that read it for the above reasons.</p>
<p>I can certainly see why nons would feel that it has not been about their feelings for so long that they need someone to say &#8220;Take care of YOURSELF and set up boundaries to do so&#8221;. It is a simple message and seems to be the only one that is tauted in most non boards.</p>
<p>Unfortnately, it is a recipe for divorce, if that&#8217;s the ONLY thing you do. It sucks to be a non, but I expect it sucks even worse to be a BP. If you want to help your BP, compassion is the key, not boundaries. You can&#8217;t save them, but you can deal with them in such a way that they will not go directly to Oz.</p>
<p>Of course, they have responsibilties too &#8211; like working to get better (and if you follow DBT, accepting themselves the way they are), but that is a decision they have to make. You can&#8217;t make it for them.</p>
<p>&#8211; snip</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people when they find out about BPD, read &#8220;Stop Walking on Eggshells&#8221;. Just about everyone in the &#8220;non&#8221; community has read it. I read it AND read the workbook. At the time I thought, &#8220;Yes! Someone who understands!&#8221; I thought, &#8220;Finally, a method for dealing with my wife&#8217;s crazy behaviors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, folks, I was wrong. This book is about nons and ways for the nons to handle the BP&#8217;s behavior. Unfortunately, for the BPs, it does nothing to help them heal. In fact, the idea of setting limits and boundaries for BPs only serves to pissd them off more. Let me tell you why:</p>
<p>BPD is a disorder in which the sufferer feels emotions more strongly that a normal person.</p>
<p>When they are in the throes of a deep feeling, they cannot think logically. The limit that you set merely acts as a judgement of their behavior and boundary to be stepped over. They need to feel that they are OK. They live in a state of shame. If you tell them, through boundaries, that they are not OK, the message merely serves to fuel the deeply-felt emotion of shame. The behavior will get worse and you will get even angrier. This cycle of shame-anger between you and the BP serves to make you feel even more like leaving, like they can&#8217;t be &#8220;cured&#8221; and distances you from them even more. That is the real BP &#8220;dance&#8221; or &#8220;merry-go-round&#8221;.</p>
<p>When talking recently to the BP in my life, she had been reading a post on the Internet about &#8220;boundaries&#8221; and &#8220;limits&#8221; when dealing with borderlines. The post said this man&#8217;s ex-wife was a borderline &#8211; a nigtmare and a total abuser of him and the relationship. So, he left her. I wonder how that made her feel? Shamed further, perhaps?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that everyone should stay with their BP partner. What I am saying is: if you decide to stay, you should help that person heal, rather than set limits, sign contracts, be angry, etc.</p>
<p>Remember, borderlines suffer a lot of internal pain. All day, everyday. And they will do anything to stop the pain, including cutting, starving, raging, spending and attempting suicide.</p>
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<li><a href='http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/review-whine-strong/' rel='bookmark' title='My best review of When Hope is Not Enough'>My best review of When Hope is Not Enough</a></li>
<li><a href='http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/walking-on-eggshells-quiz/' rel='bookmark' title='Walking on Eggshells Quiz'>Walking on Eggshells Quiz</a></li>
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